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There are 4 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. 56 chrysler red
           From: "Johnnie Slayton" <Jslayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
      2. Re: 56 chrysler red
           From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      3. Re: Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B
           From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      4. Re: Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B
           From: lettercars@xxxxxxx


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Message: 1
   Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:34:39 -0500
   From: "Johnnie Slayton" <Jslayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 56 chrysler red

Can anyone out there give me a modern number for Regimental Red.I have
all the original numbers,formulas,ect.If someone has had their car
repainted using modern paints,the paint number on the can or receipt is
what I need.I am restoring a 56 ST. Regis in Regimental Red, Cloud White
with black top.I hope to have this car in the show at Hershey this
fall.Gary is doing the seats for me in white leather as original.I wish
this car was mine but I don't have room for any more cars.I also have a
55 Desoto Firedome coupe with 37,000 original miles for sale.A real nice
car should anyone be interested. Johnnie Slayton


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Message: 2
   Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 21:53:07 -0500
   From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 56 chrysler red

  The spec I have is a Ditzler number, DDL 71568, Granada Red from 65 to 72 
  BMWs

  Jim Faber
> 
> From: "Johnnie Slayton" <Jslayton@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2004/01/21 Wed PM 09:34:39 EST
> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] 56 chrysler red
> 
> Can anyone out there give me a modern number for Regimental Red.I have
> all the original numbers,formulas,ect.If someone has had their car
> repainted using modern paints,the paint number on the can or receipt is
> what I need.I am restoring a 56 ST. Regis in Regimental Red, Cloud White
> with black top.I hope to have this car in the show at Hershey this
> fall.Gary is doing the seats for me in white leather as original.I wish
> this car was mine but I don't have room for any more cars.I also have a
> 55 Desoto Firedome coupe with 37,000 original miles for sale.A real nice
> car should anyone be interested. Johnnie Slayton
> 
> 
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Message: 3
   Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:56:20 -0800
   From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B

Never did find out what how Chrysler got there 355 hp motor.  Know it was
compression(but was it a head gasket or a different head, or just a regular
one that was milled) and exhaust.  I am still seeking info if there was a
part number for the exhaust system back from the exhaust manifolds(am aware
that these were Dodge truck and I have a pair of them although one is
cracked and I either need to weld or hopefully find another one at a fair
price).  I am not having much luck in finding info on the pattern to have
someone build me a exhaust set that conforms to the 355 specs using a
standard exhaust pipe bending tool.

So am just reposting this exchange that I had a few months ago with Gary
Barker to see if anyone has any info that can help me.

Just put a 2.92(perfect gear for a torqueflight) rear in the B.  Drove up
from LA(Riverside) yesterday(400 plus miles).  Car cruises easily at 80 to
85.  Use to sound like hell at 70 with the 3.36.  Love it. 16 MPG and the
speedo is right on the button.

Roger Schaaf

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Gary Barker" <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 11:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B


> I found info that the head pipes on the 355 was 3 inches but no info on
the
> balance of the exhaust system.  The parts manual that I have lists only
the
> dual exhaust system for a New Yorker with no different number for the 355
or
> even 340 motors.
>
> I am quite familiar with the old Ford 312's.  As an 18 year old youth I
> worked part time in a garage in Exeter Nebr.  The man who owned it and
> thought he was going to make a mechanic out of me, would buy Nebraska
> Highway Patrol cars which the State would auction off when they reached
> 70,000 miles.  I remember in 1959 that we purchased about a dozen of these
> cars which were then spruced up and sold the members(mostly young men) of
> the small community that we lived in.  These cars were 57 Fords, 2dr
coupes,
> custom 300's(with the gold anodized trim on the sides), black.  Some had
the
> 312 with a 4 barrel carb at I believe was 245 hp, most were 312's with
dual
> quad system at 265 or was it 270 hp, and a couple we figured were the 285
hp
> motors as my boss did some research on them.  I believe that it was mostly
a
> camshaft difference in these cars.  I think the Patrol was always
> experimenting(probably was run by some car nut at that time).  All were 3
on
> the tree with overdrive transmissions and probably 4.11 rear axle.
>
> I personally bought one of these(as did several of my friends, I think for
> 750.00 and immediately went drag racing with it at the local(in Lincoln)
> drag strip where initially I ran super stock with et's of about 15 seconds
> or slightly less and later moved down to A Stock as bigger motors in
faster
> cars came along. Mostly ran against 270 and 283 hp 57 Chevy's but did have
> one 300 C that ran our class.  It never was a contender in this class as
it
> was probably a top end screamer but drag racing was not its cup of tea.
> Never did break anything in that Ford.
>
> I was aware of the supercharged Fords at 300 hp and learned that there was
a
> higher performance motor of more then 300 hp(probably the 340 that you
> mentioned).  My boss was also the Ford dealer in town, and he delivered a
57
> Fairlane 500 ht to the local rich farmer in the area which had the 300 hp
> motor.  I remember well that belt driven supercharger and how cool it
> looked.  His son would drive the car at times and drag race locally with
the
> rest of us.  I do not believe that he was able to keep up with most of the
> old patrol cars.  Probably because of the additional weight of Fairlane
and
> he was kind of a dopey kid anyway that never did learn to take off without
> burning all the rubber off his tires in a cloud of smoke.
>
> In 1960 the ex Highway Patrol cars were 58 Chevy's, Biscaynes, Black, with
> the 348 ci, 315 HP motor.  We bought and sold several of these.  They
> generally would eat the Fords for lunch.  They were also 3 speed overdrive
> cars.  The State Cops did drive some cool cars then.  I remember in 1960
> they ran Dodges with the 383 ci with 335 motors.  These were hot cars when
> they hit the used market.
>
> I still yearn to have one of those old custom 300 Fords but most of them
are
> gone.  They were not saved like the 57 Chevys.
>
> Roger Schaaf
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Barker" <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, November 21, 2003 9:13 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B
>
>
> Hi Rodger, well I read 4 more stories and they all say the same thing.
> 10.0 compression heads.  One also says 2 1/2 " exhaust system.      Ford
> also had a 340 hp from there 312 cu.in. using a supercharger.
> Gary Barker
>
> Roger Schaaf wrote:
>
> >Can anyone provide information on the 300 B with the optional 355 HP
> engines.
> >
> >I am interested in details on the following.
> >
> >How was the high compression achieved.  I believe it was via a head
change
> but how was this accomplished?  Was it a milled regular head or were there
> other changes?  I believe that it was a different part number.  A quote in
> the Robert Ackerson Chrysler 300 book gives a part number of 1730369-1 for
> this head and stated that it was NOT interchangeable with the 8.5
> compression head on the 1955 C300 head.  Why would this be?
> >
> >Were the optional exhaust manifolds the same part number as the Dodge
truck
> manifolds?
> >
> >Was the balance of this optional exhaust system(head pipes thru
tailpipes)
> ever offered as a replacement part(s) number by Chrysler parts?  If parts
> numbers were offered, were all components unique or just the 3 inch head
> pipes?
> >
> >I know that an optional steel wheel was offered for racing.  Was there
any
> other differences in the 340 hp verses 355.  What was the price charged
for
> Chrysler for this optional motor.
> >
> >What brings this all to mind is this past summer I entered a show where
> next to me was a beautiful black 57 Chevy base model coupe with a 283hp
283
> C.I. fuel injected motor.  This fellow had a rather large sigh describing
> the car and it noted that this motor was the first time that an American
> auto had achieved 1 hp per C.I..
> >
> >As we were admiring each others autos I happened to mention that Chrysler
> had a accomplished this in 1956(of course my model) with their 354 C.I.
with
> 355 hp.
> >
> >He said he was aware of this but noted that this was an optional high
> performance engine generally not available to all.  I did not mention that
I
> thought that the 283 283 was probably not a standard Chevy offering.
> >
> >So just trying to get a little history here.  I also have a pair of Dodge
> truck manifolds that may find a new home on my car if I can get more
details
> on the exhaust system.
> >
> >Thank you for any info on this topic
> >
> >Roger Schaaf
> >300 B Calif.
> >
> >
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> >
> >
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Message: 4
   Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2004 08:19:32 EST
   From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Exhaust and Heads on 355 HP 300 B

Hi Roger and All:
The 300B achieved 355HP thru the use of a higher compression head.  I assume 
it was just the regular one milled, but do not know for sure.  The 355HP heads 
were assigned different part numbers, 1730369 and 70.  This would be the case 
whether or not other changes were made besides just milling to achieve the 10 
to 1 comp. ratio.  The Chrysler letter to dealers, dated June 13, 1956 
announcing the availability of these heads, does state they are not interchangeable 
with the 9.0 to 1 heads on the 1955 model "300s".
Certainly the larger (3" dia.) exhaust system would also help with power 
increase, although for gross HP rating such as 355 was, most of the system would 
not be in place.
Of course, these changes were mainly for the purpose of keeping Kiekhaefer 
(and others) competative on the racing circuit.  I think he pretty much got what 
he asked for!   Hope this answers some of your question.     300ly, Gil


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