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There are 11 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Club web page?
From: brezelfenster@xxxxxxx
4. Re: AC leaks - my $0.02
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. 300L
From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
6. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
7. Just a Test...
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
9. Re: axel end play on 300C
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
10. 300L - VIN number and registry
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Another Test
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 10:30:21 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
Take a look at the rear axle data and spec table in the '57
Chrysler/Imperial manual,Section II, it states AXLE END PLAY as .003" to
.008". But after looking through some other year Chrysler manuals, they all
state .013" to .018".
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Gary Nelson <gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>;
Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 5:22 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
> Ok here it is. 57 Chrysler/Imperial service manual, #D15899. Section II
> REAR AXLE, pg. 46 paragraph 16. SETTING AXLE SHAFT END PLAY. The first
> paragraph talks about the various shims available and states "The correct
> axle end play is .013 to .018 inch. One or more shims may be required to
> obtain correct end play".
>
> Gary
>
> At 02:27 AM 7/19/02, Owen & Jo Grigg wrote:
> >Hmmm, now I look at a '60 manual and it says .013" to .018", the '57
manual
> >definitely says .003" to .008". Was told by a freind that 13 to 18 was
too
> >much, but now I'm not so sure.
> >Owen
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >To: David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler Club
> ><Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 6:35 PM
> >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
> >
> >
> > > So how much is the bet? .003" to .008" as per rear axle specs, 3 to 5
> >would
> > > be quite acceptable in my book anyway!
> > > Owen
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler Club
> > > <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 4:18 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
> > >
> > >
> > > > Zak
> > > > I set up rear end I don't remember exactly what the manual calls
for. I
> > > can
> > > > bet it is not 3 to 5. My manuals are at my office. E- mail me at
> > > > gwn@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and I will look in manual. You need to get a
> > > manual
> > > > for that car.
> > > > I still can't forget that dinner we had in Reno. Thanks
> > > >
> > > > Gary, The Parts Doc
> > > >
> > > > At 07:25 AM 7/18/2002 -0700, David Zakarian wrote:
> > > > >Someone was recently talking about this. I wasn't listening. I
have 3
> > > > >sources, 2 say the end play should be .013 to .018. and one source
> >says
> > > > >.003 to .008. It appears that either two sources or one source is
a
> > > > >typo. Anyone now which one is correct?
> > > > >
> > > > >Thanks, Zak
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2002 18:40:01 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
>Ok here it is. 57 Chrysler/Imperial service manual, #D15899. Section II
>REAR AXLE, pg. 46 paragraph 16. SETTING AXLE SHAFT END PLAY. The first
>paragraph talks about the various shims available and states "The correct
>axle end play is .013 to .018 inch. One or more shims may be required to
>obtain correct end play".
Gary,
My closest source for 1957 cars is Motors Manual, 1962. It shows in specs
.013-.023 and a foot note to set to .018. The word how to section stays with
this spec from 1957 to 1961 with special note about why the need for end
play (heat expansion of axle shafts).
I looked in a 1964 Motors and it wanders off into deep discussion as to
equalizing shim packs side to side to center thrust block which is a subject
the '62 book does not mention. Spec stays the same at set to .018 up through
1964. Switch from .003-.008 to .013 to .023 would seem to be for 1957 MY
Chryslers. I don't remember setting up Internationals that loose so checked
manual and spec is .001-.009. Surprised there has not been some posting as
to what happens with a Chrysler set at say .006 that should have been .018.
Warren Anderson
Sedona,AZ
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 00:52:28 EDT
From: brezelfenster@xxxxxxx
Subject: Club web page?
Tonight I attempted to visit the club web page, for the first time in a
while. The mailing list home page lists the URL as
www.chrysler300club.com
Is the page down, or is there a new URL? TIA.--David
David Ellis / Brezelfenster
Cane Hill, Ark.
1950 standard sedan, 1956 Karmann Kabriolett, 1967 Single Cab, 1999/1969
Mexibeetle, and many lesser air-cooled VW's.
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 01:20:11 -0400
From: "PaddyCaddy ." <paddycaddy@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: AC leaks - my $0.02
I obviously do not have AC on a C300 - but my 1970 Cadillac was notorious
for leaking a pound or two of R-12 a year. We all know how expensive that
can be. A buddy of mine who runs a repair shop specializing in AC and
brakes insisted I was spending too much money with him every year (a friend
indeed) and insisted the two of us take a Saturday afternoon and a six pack
and replace every small rubber "0" ring in the system at the end of the
hoses.
THE TRICK OF THE OPERATION WAS TO SOAK ALL THE "O" RINGS IN MINERAL OIL
RIGHT UP UNTIL SECONDS BEFORE THE INSTALLATION.
3 years later - and with the weather in Central Virginia being as it has
been this summer - I'm a believer in this process. I haven't put any R-12
in this car since that sweaty afternoon - and I haven't had a sweaty
afternoon in my car since...
Just one man's opinion. And I don't own or drive anything built after
1970.
Sean.
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 07:19:57 -0400
From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 300L
I was thumbing through a publication I got in a goodie bag at a car show last Sunday. The Bargain News Special Interest Vehicles. There was a 300L for sale. I e-mailed and got the ID#
C453219965. If it's not in the club files it can be added.
Harold
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 08:10:01 -0400
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
The 1958 Service manual specifies .013" - .018" end play. And in bold
letters it states, "Note: It is recommended that the end play be held to the
high limit rather than the low. The end play will decrease during operation
due to heat expansion." It further states that one should have equal
thicknesses of shims on both sides of the axle.
This is lots of fun. After measuring end play, you get to run around to
both sides of the car and even up the shim packs. We set our end play on
the D at this range and have had no trouble. Be very sure to use limited
slip length axles with limited slip rears and vice versa. Axle lengths are
different. Usually no one replaces the axles, but they will replace the
rear end.
Gloria Moon
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 09:43:17 -0400
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Just a Test...
Haven't gotten any Chrysler 300 email in weeks. So this is only a test...
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 13:41:19 -0500
From: "David Schwandt" <finsrus@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
Dave Schwandt here,
'58 manual says .013-.018". '60, '61 are the same also. HOWEVER the '63
manual states that (quote PPG 3-4) " The axle shaft preferred end play
is .013 to .018 inch, however, up to .023 inch is permissible. The end play
is necessary because as much as .012" end play may be taken up after the
operating temperatures are reached during normal operation. The loss of end
play occurs because the axle shafts expand (lengthwise) more than the axle
housing as the temps increase. LESS THAN .013 INCH END PLAY CAN RESULT IN A
PRELOADED BEARING, UNDER THESE CONDITIONS, CAUSING SHORTER BEARING LIFE."
( my emphasis) '64 states basically the same thing and goes into more
detail in explaining how to achieve this play (.013-.023).
Just for the heck of it I looked in 2 other manuals....'56, which lists the
300-B on the cover as being included says ".003-.008 and '56 Dodge is the
same, .003-.008"
----- Original Message -----
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: "David Zakarian" <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>; "Chrysler Club"
<Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Gary Nelson" <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:35 AM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 10:54:50 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axel end play on 300C
I really can't see any reason to run as much as .018" end play. The main
reason I can see for having end play, is to allow lubrication to the
bearings. How much play do you need for oil to get to the bearings? I would
of thought .007"-008" would be plenty. Just my .0002c worth.
Owen
----- Original Message -----
From: Warren R Anderson <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Owen & Jo Grigg <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>; David Zakarian <arshog@xxxxxxxxx>;
Chrysler Club <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Gary Nelson <Gary@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:40 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axel end play on 300C
>
>
>
> >Ok here it is. 57 Chrysler/Imperial service manual, #D15899. Section II
> >REAR AXLE, pg. 46 paragraph 16. SETTING AXLE SHAFT END PLAY. The first
> >paragraph talks about the various shims available and states "The correct
> >axle end play is .013 to .018 inch. One or more shims may be required to
> >obtain correct end play".
>
>
> Gary,
>
> My closest source for 1957 cars is Motors Manual, 1962. It shows in specs
> .013-.023 and a foot note to set to .018. The word how to section stays
with
> this spec from 1957 to 1961 with special note about why the need for end
> play (heat expansion of axle shafts).
>
> I looked in a 1964 Motors and it wanders off into deep discussion as to
> equalizing shim packs side to side to center thrust block which is a
subject
> the '62 book does not mention. Spec stays the same at set to .018 up
through
> 1964. Switch from .003-.008 to .013 to .023 would seem to be for 1957 MY
> Chryslers. I don't remember setting up Internationals that loose so
checked
> manual and spec is .001-.009. Surprised there has not been some posting as
> to what happens with a Chrysler set at say .006 that should have been
.018.
>
> Warren Anderson
> Sedona,AZ
>
>
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:10:25 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300L - VIN number and registry
Hi Harold,
Thanks for the lead and VIN number. It's really important that every member
out there communicate us the VIN's and ownership info of any Letter Series
300 they might stumble across, or read about, or find, or whatever...
Eleanor and Gloria both inform me that, as far as the 300L you read about,
"We have that VIN. Owner was Mark Taraboletti, Titusville, FL as of '95
when he dropped membership." and also "Should anyone inquire, we have an
evaluation form on the L. It's white. "
Having prior ownership info on a Letter Car will at some point be invaluable
to a future owner. Wouldn't we all like to know where our cars have been
and who owned them before us ? At the same time, it is up to us to build up
that database as best we can.
Thanks again
John
From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
> I was thumbing through a publication I got in a goodie bag at a car show
last Sunday. The Bargain News Special Interest Vehicles. There was a 300L
for sale. I e-mailed and got the ID#
> C453219965. If it's not in the club files it can be added.
>
> Harold
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 20 Jul 2002 19:53:02 -0400
From: "Ron Waters" <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Another Test
Still nuttin' coming thru. So here's another test...
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