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There are 17 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Coker Tires
From: Neal Thomas <mr300f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. MOPAR
From: "Jerry" <mopar-man@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. '57 300C
From: Tim Bowers <tbowers1@xxxxxxxxxx>
4. Re: MOPAR
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. 300 Club Fall Meet Registration
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Disc Brakes on Rear?
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: rear discs
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
8. Re: MOPAR
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. axle trivia and service manual errors
From: "Bob Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Fw: need to sell a car
From: "Bob Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: axle trivia and service manual errors
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: Another Test
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: axle trivia and service manual errors
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: MOPAR
From: "Larry Carrel" <300fan@xxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: MOPAR
From: Tony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
16. Mack Attack
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
17. Show report from WPC Nationals at Wis Dells....
From: "lajugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 20:46:35 -0400
From: Neal Thomas <mr300f@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Coker Tires
I'm sending this message to restate the obvious .... my tires arrived
last week and were put on the F Saturday morning
and oh what a difference. Going from bias ply to radial tires is
unbelievable. Even from the passenger side the difference is obvious.
It's like a whole different car, a real pleasure to drive.
Sorry for babbling, just so happy I had to tell someone.
Neal
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:58:35 -0400
From: "Jerry" <mopar-man@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: MOPAR
Can someone refresh my memory? I used to know what MOPAR meant but someone asked me yesterday and my mind went totally blank! Must be old age. I'm thinking it means "Motor Parts" but now I'm not sure.
Jerry
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:16:07 -0500
From: Tim Bowers <tbowers1@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '57 300C
Is there a (very) nice set of 300C wheelcovers available out there?
We have a decent set of 300D wheelcovers available for trade or sale
outright after we get the correct covers for our 300C Convertible
project.
Thanks in advance,
Tim Bowers
McPherson, KS
http://www.geocities.com/stellarrest/chrysler300.html
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:29:24 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: MOPAR
Correct! It's from the 30'sor early 40's, I think and was the Parts Division
logo/id.
Ray Jones (the "See Ya in Nashville" Guy)
> From: "Jerry" <mopar-man@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:58:35 -0400
> To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Forward Look"
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> Subject: [Chrysler300] MOPAR
>
> Can someone refresh my memory? I used to know what MOPAR meant but someone
> asked me yesterday and my mind went totally blank! Must be old age. I'm
> thinking it means "Motor Parts" but now I'm not sure.
>
> Jerry
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:54:04 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300 Club Fall Meet Registration
Hello all;
We have 20 some registered at the Hotel so far, but only 4 have sent in
their registrations to Gloria. this is a ongoing problem. She says that in
the past she gets registrations up to the day they leave for the meet. Not
good!
We need to know how many are going on the NASCAR event (I hope most, you'll
be sorry if you miss it), so I can make the final arrangements. It will be
hard if not impossable to get included the day of the race, so please don't
figure on deciding when you get to the meet, tell us now. We have to block
out the time and schedule the number of elimination races, so ALL get a
chance to race to the 300 Club Championship.
It's easy to sit down and write a check and get it off in the mail. It can
get very hectic trying to sort out all the details, get it loaded in a
spreadsheet, break down the money and get it all printed, when your and most
of the others registrations get there 2-3 days before Gloria has to leave
for the meet. Please help out our overworked volunteer Treasurer and get
those registrations in early! Swamp her next week!!! Just don't wait 'til
the end of August, please, please, please.
Now, if you've never been to a meet, nows the time. Even if only for a day
or two, treat yourself and come play with us. Take Friday off, and drive
bland X if not your 300, but meet some great people Friday night and play
Saturday, and drive home Sunday, if thats all the time you can spare, we
would love to meet you. You will come back for more. Jo Ann and I had never
done anything like this before and finally went to our first meet in 1980,
since then we've been to 35 or more.
See ya ALL in Nashville, Ray Jones
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 22:32:03 -0700
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Disc Brakes on Rear?
Jeff and all:
Perhaps I am just daft but I don't understand what significance the axle end play has to do with putting disc brakes on the rear axle.
Aren't the rear calipers going to float in and out like the ones on the front? Aren't you planning on using a self-adjusting and self-centering type of floating caliper system?
I have seen two types of floating calipers (as used on the front). There are the ones that float in and out on pins and then there are the ones that float on little slides (like the ways on a lathe) that are machined into the caliper mounting brackets. There must be other methods as well.
On most modern vehicles, one of the biggest challenges in adapting disc brakes to a conventional rear axle is how to incorporate some sort of an Emergency Brake. We are very fortunate that our Chrysler 300's came with a supplemental Emergency Brake system mounted on the tailshaft of the transmission. (Love it or Hate it!) I believe that it was in 1965 that the Chrysler line changed to the flanged rear axle with a mechanical Emergency Brake provision in the rear drums.
I have heard that some of the disc brake conversion kits for off-road trucks have some method of actuating an Emergency Brake. Some kits incorporate a mechanical actuator on the rear disc and some kits provide a separate disc brake and caliper that is mounted somewhere along the drive shaft, very similar (but much easier to service and adjust) to our drum brake on the trans. It is significant that most of these kits are called "Parking Brakes".
Anyway, Please enlighten me about what this has to do with axle end play! Someday, I would like to add 4 wheel discs and convert to the flanged axles on my ragtop.
John Mc Adams
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 02:06:12 -0700 (MST)
From: mr-320@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: rear discs
i think it was john mcadams that asked; i pushed the wrong
button and it went away so here goes appended to another e/m i have i
can find to the same bunch.
john;
does the caliper slide b4 or after the puck begins to move and
at what speed will the inertia of the caliper overcome the pucks
resistance? or will your puck stay in position and your caliper always
vibrate back and forth to take up end play, will this wear out the
sliding mechanism? do you begin to see the problem??
JEFF
tucson az.
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 21 Jul 2002 21:28:45 -0700
From: "Moana & Gerry Steinberg" <mopar@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: MOPAR
How about Most Old Parts Are Rusty!!!!! Just kidding.
My memory says it was Motor Parts back when Chrysler parts
depots. What do the rest of you say???
Gerry
Sierra Vista, AZ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry" <mopar-man@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Forward Look"
<L-ForwardLook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] MOPAR
> Can someone refresh my memory? I used to know what MOPAR meant but
someone asked me yesterday and my mind went totally blank! Must be old age.
I'm thinking it means "Motor Parts" but now I'm not sure.
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> Jerry
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:33:30 -0400
From: "Bob Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: axle trivia and service manual errors
>Be very sure to use limited
> slip length axles with limited slip rears and vice versa. Axle lengths
are
> different.
There is one clinker in the soup:
In 1964, and 1964 only, all axle lengths are the same.
It makes no difference if you had a locking ("Sure Grip") or non-locking
differential.
In 1964 all axle lengths are the same, at 31.5".
These 31.5" long 1964 axles are the same axles as used on Sure Grip
differentials 1957 through 1963.
The axles for non-locking differentials 1957 through 1963 were 31.625" long.
There are no distinguishing marks or differences between the 31.5" and
31.625" axles and it takes careful measuring to tell the difference.
If you were to take the axles from a 1964 non-locking differential and throw
them in your 57 - 63 non-locking differential, you would regret it. You
would have .250" clearance for axle end play, and no amount of shim removal
will compensate for that.
Service Manual Errors:
It has been noted in previous posts that the 57 service manual has an error
in the axle clearance specification.
This is not the only error in the 57 service manual.
While restoring my 57 Saratoga, I found numerous errors in specifications
and wiring diagrams.
I determined these were indeed errors in the manual by checking the 58
service manual.....and also by the fact that reality didn't match what the
57 manual stated.
My point: get yourself service manuals from other years.
When something doesn't make sense, check the other manuals....it is entirely
possible that an error in one manual was corrected in the manual from the
following year.
This seems to be especially useful if the car you're working on is the first
in a new body style, such as 1957, 1960, 1963, 1965.
RRRRrobert of Golden Lion Grrrages
www.simplexco.com/auto
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 07:37:58 -0400
From: "Bob Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Fw: need to sell a car
Perhaps this is of interest to C, D, E owners.
Replies to Joe Mendoza, bsdfj02@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
R
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe Mendoza" <bsdfj02@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, July 20, 2002 1:34 AM
Subject: need to sell a car
> Hi saw your Web site was wondering if your club knows anyone into 59
> Chrysler New Yorker 2dr two tone complete CA car .The car was given to
> me and I am into chevys. The car is complete, straight , few trim
> stainless missing rough interior , org paint two tone blue and white
> fact tinted windows, autronic eye, day night mirror swivel seats ,
> pretty loaded car been parked since 1974 in a storage lumber yard in
> sunny CA could be restored with a pocket book or used for parts
> taillights grill chrome bumpers are not dented or broken , I can have
> pics availble soon but need some guide to whom or what clubs to talk to
> . Thanks for your time Joe
>
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:05:50 -0400
From: "Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axle trivia and service manual errors
More likely as in the case of our 300D, a previous owner replaced the
"straight" rear with a limited slip rear for racing. He left the straight
axles in. After about 40,000 miles, the axles will wipe the splines right
off the end. You have about 1 second warning and <POW>. If you're very,
very lucky, Ray Jones will decide that very minute to come visit you (in his
L) and help you push the beast the two blocks home. Checking the axle play
on a car that makes no noise and indicates nothing wrong on a used car is
not something one does. And checking axle length is tough!!!!
I suppose the easiest thing to do is to check the microfilm for your 300 to
find out what kind of rear came in it. Then jack your car up and see if the
rear in the car matches.
Gloria Moon
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 06:11:56 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Another Test
i am getting 300 mail.
--- Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Still nuttin' coming thru. So here's another
> test...
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 11:58:03 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: axle trivia and service manual errors
Don't count on my "L"'s help, the only distance it's moved under it's own
power in the last 10 years has been on to Rene's trailer.
One of these days........
Ray
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> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 08:05:50 -0400
> To: "Chrysler 300 Yahoo List Server" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Bob
> Merritt" <bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] axle trivia and service manual errors
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> More likely as in the case of our 300D, a previous owner replaced the
> "straight" rear with a limited slip rear for racing. He left the straight
> axles in. After about 40,000 miles, the axles will wipe the splines right
> off the end. You have about 1 second warning and <POW>. If you're very,
> very lucky, Ray Jones will decide that very minute to come visit you (in his
> L) and help you push the beast the two blocks home. Checking the axle play
> on a car that makes no noise and indicates nothing wrong on a used car is
> not something one does. And checking axle length is tough!!!!
>
> I suppose the easiest thing to do is to check the microfilm for your 300 to
> find out what kind of rear came in it. Then jack your car up and see if the
> rear in the car matches.
>
> Gloria Moon
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 12:49:08 -0700
From: "Larry Carrel" <300fan@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: MOPAR
I bought a new hood for a 300D in 1960 from a parts warehouse in San Diego,
California, and it was called "Motor Parts West".
Larry Carrel
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From: "Jerry" <mopar-man@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Chrysler 300 Club" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Forward Look"
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Sent: Sunday, July 21, 2002 7:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] MOPAR
> Can someone refresh my memory? I used to know what MOPAR meant but
someone asked me yesterday and my mind went totally blank! Must be old age.
I'm thinking it means "Motor Parts" but now I'm not sure.
>
> Jerry
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 16:05:24 -0400
From: Tony Rinaldi <awrdoc@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: MOPAR
Mostly
Old
Parts
And
Rust
on 7/22/02 3:49 PM, Larry Carrel at 300fan@xxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> I bought a new hood for a 300D in 1960 from a parts warehouse in San Diego,
> California, and it was called "Motor Parts West".
>
> Larry Carrel
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 17:27:54 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Mack Attack
Ken Mack is looking good in the recent Cars & Parts story on Ypsilanti's
Orphan Car Show. Talks about his involvement with Chrysler and the Museum
and his lovelyness is captured on film near a '55 Packard rag he owns.
Should I ever find a money tree, count on a few Packards sharing space at
Jett Ranch.
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 17
Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 21:59:32 -0000
From: "lajugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Show report from WPC Nationals at Wis Dells....
Since I'm terrible with names I will relate cars...
Seven letter series... in own class. THREE "H" Converts!!!
Hard luck trophy to 300 Pacecar (with flags) who happened to
disintergrate his ball and trunion front joint and was way-laid until
a new drive shaft was to be made Monday!!
Took neither of my "C" converts due to lack of time to fix all the
windows and wiring. Good thing, though. Return trip home was marred
by a four-car sandwich on I-90 at Woodfield Rt 53 construction.
My '98 Dodge Van was #3. #4 was a Freightliner with 40,000 lbs of
potato chips. Shortened Van by about 18 inches. Can't even THINK of
result if BOTH 300's were in line.....
L.A. Jugle, Elmhurst, IL
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