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There are 14 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Re: AM/FM radio in '64
From: REckert300@xxxxxxx
3. Re: 500 ci
From: Donald L Smallwood <zincspot@xxxxxxxx>
4. Smallwood's "real-time" experience with RAMS
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
5. Re: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Looking for Ram Tube Hoses
From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
7. RE: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: 500 ci
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
9. Re: Looking for Ram Tube Hoses
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
10. New radios for old cars
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
11. Clutch
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
12. Passanger Car Parts Catalog
From: ivan.regos@xxxxxxxxxx
13. SCAM !!!!
From: "Mark Souders" <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 07:09:07 -0800 (PST)
From: Russ Vaughan <russ@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: FM radios in 1964 and 65
Hi Everyone,
Actually the AM-FM radio was standard in the '63 New Yorker Salon. My '63 300 convertible has one, but I doubt it's original. The car had numerous Chrysler options added by the original owner. It sure "looks" like it interchanges with the factory AM, but I never measured it since I'm not interested in replacing it. I added an FM booster in line with the antenna wire. It helped reception some, but the sound is really no different from an AM since it is not stereo unit.
I agree with John regarding the conversion. One of my pet peeves is to see a modern stereo cobbled into any old car. If you just have a "driver" and you want good sound, hide a modern stereo in the glove box. If you have a nice letter car, just bite the bullet and have the radio converted.
I bought a set of exhaust pipes a while ago from someone who advertises in the club news. They to were sub-standard in my opinion. With only a moderate cam, I can't place the pipes to stop from hitting "something" under the car. Also, one side was 6" longer than the other and the mufflers blew right out in no-time. A custom setup costs a little more, but is well worth it.
Russ Vaughan
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Message: 2
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 11:44:13 EST
From: REckert300@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
Our '64 300 K convertible has an AM/FM radio in it. Since the first owner
supposedly was a dealer's wife, in the Dayton, OH area, it may have been
added on at the dealership. It was an option, if we remember correctly.
However, Jim loaned his shop manual to a friend and our book on the 300's is
in another car in the barn at the moment, so we can't verify our memories,
which is necessary at our age! The radio doesn't work well and we are
considering having it worked on this winter. We only miss it if we want to
listen to a Cleveland Indians baseball game since we don't feel the necessity
of having some kind of extraneous sound around us all the time when we're
driving to a show somewhere (or here at home either, for that matter). We do
want it to work better than it does, though, so we'll probably pursue finding
someone to work on it for us this winter.
Jimm & Ruth Eckert
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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 13:03:56 -0700
From: Donald L Smallwood <zincspot@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 500 ci
Dan and all RAM guys,
I have only practical experience with Ram cars but I have learned that
the factory ram spec. cam and functioning heat tubes are a must if your
goal is to have a Ram equipped vehicle that is driveable.
I patched together a setup for a 59 DeSoto that didn't work well. 440
with mag cam, ram tubes with no heat, carbs with manual chokes. I know
what most of you are thinking - What was I thinking about! Well it was a
disappointment because it took 15 minutes after starting to get enough
heat build up in the ram tubes to keep it running without constantly
pumping the gas pedal and if you attempted to drive it before the tubes
were warm it would buck and jump and backfire and stall! After it warmed
up it ran but was a disappointment because the cam wasn't correct for the
ram tubes!
A few years later I acquired a 60 Dart Phoenix with a 383 factory ram
setup. It was unmolested and the performance is impressive with good
drive ability.
Just recently I acquired a 61 Fury that the previous owner had attempted
to jerry rig a ram setup on. It ran just like my DeSoto so I started from
scratch. Built a 383 with 10:1 compression, ordered a stock ram cam from
the club store, installed a pair of 500 cfm Carters with electric chokes,
hooked up the heat tubes, installed a set of duals with noisy mufflers
and a 3.23 gear. We used the Petronix ignition system. The result is
outstanding, there is nothing that sounds quite like a RAM equipped car
under full throttle. It makes you think the hood is going to get sucked
right through the carbs! The car has enough torque that I installed a
2.76 shur grip and still have all the acceleration that I need and with
the loud pipes it doesn't roar quite so much at highway speeds. If I
could do anything different I would use the 2903S carbs but they are hard
to find in decent condition. So we settled for new Carters and jetted
them down a bit but they probably supply more cfm than needed.
I'm rounding up the RAM parts for a 61 Belvedere to be powered with a 30
over 440 with 6 pac internals, will use a stock ram cam and long tubes. I
have the engine and the exhaust manifolds. I could use a set of re
buildable 2903S carbs.
I guess the moral of this story is that the engineers at Chrysler knew
what they were doing!
Don Smallwood
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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:43:47 EST
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Smallwood's "real-time" experience with RAMS
I have printed and made several copies of Don's story about making rammed
cars from non-rammed engines. Who among us hasn't day dreamed about
installing rams in all sorts of cars? Perhaps he has saved several of us and
perhaps folks we haven't met yet from making some expensive and time wasting
mistakes. If you will read Brock Yates book about the making of the latest
edition of Mopars minivans, you will see that the engineers are a brilliant
bunch who waste a great deal of money and time making mistakes until they get
it right. Then as now.
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 5
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 15:52:25 -0800 (PST)
From: Sean Ellis <slim724@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
My 64 300 K has the AM model #348. I have been looking
for the AM/FM model #351 for about a year now with no
luck. On the bright side, I just bought am FM
converter off eBay for $9.99 it's about 15 years old,
manufactured by Realistic. Looks to be just slightly
smaller than the original radio. The person selling it
said he used it in his 64 Salon! Imagine that. Anybody
have any experience installing and using these old
converters?
Sean
--- REckert300@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Our '64 300 K convertible has an AM/FM radio in it.
> Since the first owner
> supposedly was a dealer's wife, in the Dayton, OH
> area, it may have been
> added on at the dealership. It was an option, if we
> remember correctly.
> However, Jim loaned his shop manual to a friend and
> our book on the 300's is
> in another car in the barn at the moment, so we
> can't verify our memories,
> which is necessary at our age! The radio doesn't
> work well and we are
> considering having it worked on this winter. We
> only miss it if we want to
> listen to a Cleveland Indians baseball game since we
> don't feel the necessity
> of having some kind of extraneous sound around us
> all the time when we're
> driving to a show somewhere (or here at home either,
> for that matter). We do
> want it to work better than it does, though, so
> we'll probably pursue finding
> someone to work on it for us this winter.
>
> Jimm & Ruth Eckert
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 19:34:35 EST
From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
Subject: Looking for Ram Tube Hoses
<PRE>If I have not completely lost my mind, I believe I saw an advertisement in
one of our 300 periodicals of a supplier for the hoses for the Ram tubes.
Mine, on the Ram K, are in bad shape and need replacement in it's
restoration. If anyone can help, please drop me a note. Thanks in advance.
Quentin Smith
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 17:00:04 -0800
From: "JOHN MC ADAMS" <clafong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
Years ago, back in the mid sixties, I bought an FM converter unit for my first car manufactured by Gonset. Gonset used to manufacture Amateur Radio equipment.
You plugged your antenna lead into the FM converter and run its antenna to your AM dash unit. You set your Am dash unit at an AM frequency in the middle of the dial and then used the FM converter to tune in the FM band. This used the principle of "Beat Frequency Oscillation". The length of the fender antenna was also sort of critical, seems to me it needed to be extended to about 26 - 30 inches long.
Anyway, Long story short, I recently ran across my original unit in my garage and it still works great. It is quite large, almost the size of a small loaf of bread. I don't know if I am going to mount it in the glove box or not. That is where it used to live, years ago. But it is a pain (and dangerous) reaching clear across the car to tune your FM station.
NO!! I don't want to part with it. Happy hunting.
John Mc Adams
-----Original Message-----
From: Sean Ellis [mailto:slim724@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 3:52 PM
To: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re: AM/FM radio in '64
My 64 300 K has the AM model #348. I have been looking
for the AM/FM model #351 for about a year now with no
luck. On the bright side, I just bought am FM
converter off eBay for $9.99 it's about 15 years old,
manufactured by Realistic. Looks to be just slightly
smaller than the original radio. The person selling it
said he used it in his 64 Salon! Imagine that. Anybody
have any experience installing and using these old
converters?
Sean
--- REckert300@xxxxxxx wrote:
> Our '64 300 K convertible has an AM/FM radio in it.
> Since the first owner
> supposedly was a dealer's wife, in the Dayton, OH
> area, it may have been
> added on at the dealership. It was an option, if we
> remember correctly.
> However, Jim loaned his shop manual to a friend and
> our book on the 300's is
> in another car in the barn at the moment, so we
> can't verify our memories,
> which is necessary at our age! The radio doesn't
> work well and we are
> considering having it worked on this winter. We
> only miss it if we want to
> listen to a Cleveland Indians baseball game since we
> don't feel the necessity
> of having some kind of extraneous sound around us
> all the time when we're
> driving to a show somewhere (or here at home either,
> for that matter). We do
> want it to work better than it does, though, so
> we'll probably pursue finding
> someone to work on it for us this winter.
>
> Jimm & Ruth Eckert
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been
> removed]
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:10:35 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: 500 ci
Hi All,
I have to dispute Don's letter about rams not working on non-ram type
engines. My F has a 69 440 in it. It has a basically stock rebuild with the
reproduction 440 magnum cam. I have the 300-F ram set-up on it with heat
tubes and automatic chokes, there are no heat riser components though. It's
got stock 2903S carbs. This set-up always started well and could be driven
immediately. It was actually better cold than my stock G! I also had a 62
torqueflite, with a higher than stock stall converter. With 3.23 gears it
had run a best of 14.33 in the quarter mile! ANY engine that is over cammed.
or not set-up right is going to run bad.
300ly,
Don
----- Original Message -----
From: Donald L Smallwood <zincspot@xxxxxxxx>
To: <dan300f@xxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 12:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 500 ci
> Dan and all RAM guys,
>
> I have only practical experience with Ram cars but I have learned that
> the factory ram spec. cam and functioning heat tubes are a must if your
> goal is to have a Ram equipped vehicle that is driveable.
>
> I patched together a setup for a 59 DeSoto that didn't work well. 440
> with mag cam, ram tubes with no heat, carbs with manual chokes. I know
> what most of you are thinking - What was I thinking about! Well it was a
> disappointment because it took 15 minutes after starting to get enough
> heat build up in the ram tubes to keep it running without constantly
> pumping the gas pedal and if you attempted to drive it before the tubes
> were warm it would buck and jump and backfire and stall! After it warmed
> up it ran but was a disappointment because the cam wasn't correct for the
> ram tubes!
>
> A few years later I acquired a 60 Dart Phoenix with a 383 factory ram
> setup. It was unmolested and the performance is impressive with good
> drive ability.
>
> Just recently I acquired a 61 Fury that the previous owner had attempted
> to jerry rig a ram setup on. It ran just like my DeSoto so I started from
> scratch. Built a 383 with 10:1 compression, ordered a stock ram cam from
> the club store, installed a pair of 500 cfm Carters with electric chokes,
> hooked up the heat tubes, installed a set of duals with noisy mufflers
> and a 3.23 gear. We used the Petronix ignition system. The result is
> outstanding, there is nothing that sounds quite like a RAM equipped car
> under full throttle. It makes you think the hood is going to get sucked
> right through the carbs! The car has enough torque that I installed a
> 2.76 shur grip and still have all the acceleration that I need and with
> the loud pipes it doesn't roar quite so much at highway speeds. If I
> could do anything different I would use the 2903S carbs but they are hard
> to find in decent condition. So we settled for new Carters and jetted
> them down a bit but they probably supply more cfm than needed.
>
> I'm rounding up the RAM parts for a 61 Belvedere to be powered with a 30
> over 440 with 6 pac internals, will use a stock ram cam and long tubes. I
> have the engine and the exhaust manifolds. I could use a set of re
> buildable 2903S carbs.
>
> I guess the moral of this story is that the engineers at Chrysler knew
> what they were doing!
>
> Don Smallwood
>
>
>
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Message: 9
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2002 21:14:58 -0800
From: "Don Verity" <d.verity@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Looking for Ram Tube Hoses
Dominic Rinaldi in Skohegan Maine was selling ram equalizer tube hoses,
along with the clamps. He may still have some for sale.
300ly,
Don
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From: <quentsmith@xxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Tuesday, November 19, 2002 4:34 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Looking for Ram Tube Hoses
> <PRE>If I have not completely lost my mind, I believe I saw an
advertisement in
> one of our 300 periodicals of a supplier for the hoses for the Ram tubes.
> Mine, on the Ram K, are in bad shape and need replacement in it's
> restoration. If anyone can help, please drop me a note. Thanks in advance.
> Quentin Smith
>
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 00:46:30 EST
From: SADuggan@xxxxxxx
Subject: New radios for old cars
Hi All,
I've been thinking about putting something in my car beside the tube AM radio
for a while. I wanted to keep the original AM radio working though. Searching
around the web I found a company called Vintage Vibes that builds a radio
controlled AM/FM stereo with a CD player. The whole unit fits in the trunk
and you have a small controller for the passenger compartment.
They also offer a nifty thing called dual coil speakers. They are speakers
meant to mount in the original location and give stereo like sound. I was
been thinking hard about this system and was going to post on the list server
to see if anybody had used them.
This seems like a great option. Keep the original radio (great for listening
to ball games, I love the bad sound), and having all the music and commy
public radio us Californians need. I haven't tried this company yet, but it
looks like the way to go when my 300 budget includes a stereo.
Check out www.vintagevibes.net
Sean
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 21:44:33 +1300
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Clutch
Hi
Anybody out there recently fitted an aftermarket clutch to their standard trans 57-59 Mopar??
I could really use some help with part #'s(interchange with something else?) for a performance type clutch such as a Centreforce unit to mate my 392 hemi & standard 3-speed. I do not have a complete, correct original unit to compare with as the car was converted to auto.What I do know is that the original unit was an 11" Borg & Beck with 10 spline 1"(?)dia input disc
Looks like matching up the pressure plate shouldn't be too hard,seems to interchange with the later 833 4-speed unit if I change the release bearing, but the later disc runs a finer 18 spline.
From what I have seen so far the Centreforce unit may be the most suited as they run some "slip" which may take some of the load off first gear in that poor little 3-speed.....and yes, it does look insignificant bolted behind that 400+hp elephant motor!
Any websites that may help?
Thanks in advance for any help.
Owen
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 13:09:48 +0100
From: ivan.regos@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Passanger Car Parts Catalog
Hi all,
A friend of mine allso a member in the Club "Ove Karlsson" 300F, has the
above catalog and it is very useful. Now I wonder, were can I get one for my
car ?
It's a 300 Sport 1962.
Sincerely Ivan from Sweden...
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Message: 13
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 12:31:54 -0000
From: "Mark Souders" <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: SCAM !!!!
I just received an email from FossilCars.com warning me about a scam,
apparently from Nigeria. It sound just like the one we read about
last week on this board. I listed a car for sale a few months ago on
Fossilcars.com and they are warning all of their customers about
this. If anyone wants to read it, email me and I'll forward it to
you.
Regards,
Mark
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Message: 14
Date: Wed, 20 Nov 2002 08:37:38 EST
From: lettercars@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Re: AM/FM radio in '64
Jim and All:
Jim, your beautiful 300K convert came equipped from the factory with the code
363 AM-FM radio option. (We checked that out prior to concours!)
For general information, the AM-FM availability was a mid-year introduction
in the 1963 model year. A Chrysler letter to dealers dated 12-10-62 states
that effective with January 1963 production an AM-FM radio (code 366), an
AM-FM radio with rear seat speaker (code 367), and a rear seat speaker with
reverberator unit (code 616), would be available as optional equipment on
Chrysler cars. At that time only the reverberator, of the above options, was
also available on Imperial. AM-FM was not. 300ly, Gil
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