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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Zurk the rear bearings?
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
2. Zerk Trivia !!
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Re: Zurk the rear bearings?
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
4. Rear Axle Bearings
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
5. Rear Axle Bearings - more info?
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. 300L speedo-cable
From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
7. 55 parts
From: lhh225@xxxxxxx
8. My Big Fat Greek Spring Fling
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
9. Re: Zerk Trivia !!
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
10. Re: Rear Axle Bearings
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
11. Re: Zurk the rear bearings?
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. must rename new 300C !!
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 06:27:48 -0600
From: john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: Zurk the rear bearings?
Hi folks,
Maybe I'm a little on the lazy side, but in all the (dozens) of Chrysler products I've owned, ranging in year of manufacture from 1955 to 1973, I've only once had rear axle bearing noise that required repair. This was my wifes 62 NYer station wagon, and remains the only car I've ever removed rear seals or bearings on.
I suggest the design is such that it's fine to leave them alone for 50 years or 500,000 miles, whichever comes first.
John of the lazy rear ends
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From: Bob Jasinski [mailto:rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 9:55 PM
To: chrysler; Frank Bakanau
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Zurk the rear bearings?
Frank and list,
Your question is one of those mysteries of life that I have yet to figure out. Evidently, the rear wheel bearings are intended to be greased when they are installed, and then not serviced again until the axles get pulled and/or rear seals replaced. My '61 is the same way. Why not just have the rear axle lube service the bearings? I don't know, except to say that maybe it is not heavy enough? Zerk fittings would work, but the risk to blowing the seal with a grease gun is considerable.
I would like to hear what others think on this subject.
Bob J
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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 08:08:13 -0500
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Zerk Trivia !!
Just a little bit of trivia about the "grease zerk" and why in the world the thing got the name "zerk".
Well it seems there was a man in Wisconsin who was looking to improve on the truly antique style of lubrication fittings used on the early cars up until about 1931 or 1932. Those were a much larger protruding fitting that did not make a very good seal to a grease gun. They had two prong ears like a park or tail light bulb and they were so large they occasionally got broken off by road debris.
This Wisconsinite was an inventor of sorts and he did design an improved grease fitting. It was patented and very quickly adopted by the US auto industry. The man's name was Otto Zerk. I wouldn't know this if I had not been business partners with an older man from Wisconsin named Harold Jornt (now deceased) who had known Otto personally in his younger years.
And now you know the rest of the story....
Wayne
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Message: 3
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:20:08 EDT
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Zurk the rear bearings?
In a message dated 04/26/2003 8:28:52 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
john_nowosacki@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> I suggest the design is such that it's fine to leave them alone for 50 years
> or 500,000 miles, whichever comes first.
> John of the lazy rear ends
>
Funny you should say that. On the way back from Nashville, we noticed a
little noise coming from the rear of the G. It wasn't that repetitive noise
one gets from a rear end going bad, but it was there nonetheless. As a
preventative measure, we pulled the axles and sure enough one set of bearings
was bad enough to have been making the noise. Now whether they were simply
installed incorrectly three years ago, when the car was redone, or whether it
was just a bad set of bearings, I do not know, but they are gone and new ones
are there, complete with the other side as well. Now, Hopefully you are
right and I can let them go forever, or at least for as long as I have the
car.
Pete Fitch
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Message: 4
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 10:56:37 -0400
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rear Axle Bearings
Hi Group,
My experience with more than 30 older Mopars over my lifetime has been that
the rear seals start leaking, which messes up the brake shoes, which leads
to pulling the axles. It was such a pain on the hubs with tapered fits
that I started replacing the wheel bearings with the "Green" type of
bearing. I have never had a problem with the ball type bearing, nor a leak
from the axle. The only hard part is that you have to remove the pumpkin
and then remove the thrust pins, since the axles become free floating with
the green bearings.
Regards,
Bill Huff
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Message: 5
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 11:17:09 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Rear Axle Bearings - more info?
Hi Bill,
If possible, I'd like a more detailed explanation of how to convert to
"Green"-type bearings on the older style rear ends, as those found in 1955
thru 1964 Chryslers. I was not aware that this modification could be made.
Have you personally done this to one of those rears ? Yes, I know this can
be done on the '65 and younger Mopars..
Also curious about the removal of the thrust pin, in SureGrip rears. What
does one do if it's a non-SureGrip? There is no thrust pin..
On this topic, I agree with John Nowasacki - the original design was good
for 30+ years or 150,000 + miles. Bearing failure usually occured when the
inner seal got weak and rear end fluid washed out the grease on the
bearing. This is easily remedied with all new seals, and a new bearing -
and should be good for another few decades.
As to what caused Pete Fitch's bearing failure in his "G" - no idea, but
perhaps a defective bearing, or improper installation.
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Huff" <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Rear Axle Bearings
> Hi Group,
>
> My experience with more than 30 older Mopars over my lifetime has been
that
> the rear seals start leaking, which messes up the brake shoes, which leads
> to pulling the axles. It was such a pain on the hubs with tapered fits
> that I started replacing the wheel bearings with the "Green" type of
> bearing. I have never had a problem with the ball type bearing, nor a
leak
> from the axle. The only hard part is that you have to remove the pumpkin
> and then remove the thrust pins, since the axles become free floating with
> the green bearings.
>
> Regards,
>
> Bill Huff
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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 13:11:34 -0400
From: "Barbara Kay" <hekay@xxxxxxx>
Subject: 300L speedo-cable
Hi all
Need a speedo-cable and housing for 65 L
Thanks Harold
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 15:30:43 EDT
From: lhh225@xxxxxxx
Subject: 55 parts
Still have 55 Chrysler NY,windsor,300 parts What do you need? other
stuff also 67 383,67 ply gtx ac set up dash etc some parts missing 1967 sat,
500 cu 500 hp 4 speed car all done needs nothing but a new owner 73 dodge
with 300 k engine rebuilt a while back maybe 20K Lenny
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 18:02:35 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: My Big Fat Greek Spring Fling
The Spring Fling in Van Nuys CA shortly ago was great fun. Plenty of
interesting MOPARS including a 300 class attended by Henry Hopkins and
Richard Palmer with their 57 rag and Bill Madden's ex-Carpenter 57 rag shown
by Timo. DodgeDifferent took the trophy in the 57-61 class (without 300s)
and was photographed by Mopar Collector's Guide for a story later but the
reason for this post is to share a moment that will warm the hearts of those
that have seen My Big Fat Greek Wedding. Palmer and Hopkins had parked the
300C under a tent for the night but the nose of the car stook out under some
trees that dripped sap all night on the hood. They tried all manner of
cleaners to remove the super-glue-like pitch to no avail. Prospects include
Bug-Off, Mequiar's Detailer and even soaking the stuff with 92 octane Super
Shell. No good, until one of them tried Windex.......came right off.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 11:08:46 +1200
From: "Owen & Jo Grigg" <ram300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Zerk Trivia !!
Ummm, down under they're called "grease nipples", I kid you not. How do you
reckon they came by that name Wayne?
A mechanic friend of mine who went to the US to apply his trade, never lived
it down when he called your Zerks grease nipples.
Owen
Auckland, NZ
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From: Wayne Graefen <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: Intl 300 <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2003 1:08 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Zerk Trivia !!
> Just a little bit of trivia about the "grease zerk" and why in the world
the thing got the name "zerk".
>
> Well it seems there was a man in Wisconsin who was looking to improve on
the truly antique style of lubrication fittings used on the early cars up
until about 1931 or 1932. Those were a much larger protruding fitting that
did not make a very good seal to a grease gun. They had two prong ears like
a park or tail light bulb and they were so large they occasionally got
broken off by road debris.
>
> This Wisconsinite was an inventor of sorts and he did design an improved
grease fitting. It was patented and very quickly adopted by the US auto
industry. The man's name was Otto Zerk. I wouldn't know this if I had not
been business partners with an older man from Wisconsin named Harold Jornt
(now deceased) who had known Otto personally in his younger years.
>
> And now you know the rest of the story....
>
> Wayne
>
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 22:06:02 EDT
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Rear Axle Bearings
Hi all:
Well, I don't know how long axle bearings are supposed to stay greased but I
had an experience with my '66 300 several years ago. It had 165,000 miles on
it. I was driving 30 miles from nowhere in northern California coming home
from a 300 meet in Bend, Oregon. At some point in time, I felt a bit of
hesitation at 70 mph but thought nothing of it. A few miles further on, I
started hearing a grumbling noise from the rear. I pulled off the road and
found nothing abnormal. Started on the road again and more loud rumbling.
Pulled over at a wide turn out and jacked the rear end up and heard a loud
noise from the left rear axle. I pulled the axle and the bearing "dust" fell
out on the ground along with the shavings from the keeper. It was bone dry
and actually looked rusty. I had no prior warning that I had a bearing going
bad except for the hesitation a few minutes before. Later I found that the
housing had gotten so hot that the hole for the bearing had actually
enlarged. Temporarily, I inserted an 18 ga. shim around the bearing until I
purchased a replacement housing when I got home.
SO what makes a bearing go so quickly? Who knows?
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
300F
'66 300 Conv.
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 20:17:30 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Zurk the rear bearings?
I always figured that if the front bearings need to be serviced why not the rear. They go every place the fronts go an travel the same speed. Once in a while the rear bearings actually go faster than the fronts on MOPARS. Gary Barker
Bob Jasinski wrote:
> Frank and list,
>
> Your question is one of those mysteries of life that I have yet to figure out. Evidently, the rear wheel bearings are intended to be greased when they are installed, and then not serviced again until the axles get pulled and/or rear seals replaced. My '61 is the same way. Why not just have the rear axle lube service the bearings? I don't know, except to say that maybe it is not heavy enough? Zerk fittings would work, but the risk to blowing the seal with a grease gun is considerable.
>
> I would like to hear what others think on this subject.
>
> Bob J
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:02:12 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: must rename new 300C !!
Sorry to reopen this topic - but Daimler(Chrysler) must be told they cannot
re-use the 300C name/letter. You as the club must do that most vocally !?
Mention 300C or 300B, 300F - and instantly all know what is being talked
about. Chrysler/Daimler must be told - NO RE-USING famous names to try and
sell new non similar poor-rate attempts.
Earlier I mentioned Chrysler/Daimler should build a modern day 300C -
REALITY DAWNED - Daimler (Mercedes) HAVE NO INTENTION OF BUILDING A HIGH
POWERED HITECH V8 COUPE - guess what/whose sales that would steal or effect
- Mercedes own 5-6 litre Coupes and Roadsters !!!??
Sorry I was so slow to pick up on this (sad) stark reality of the Daimler
Chrysler merger/takeover. They are going to keep 100% the original 300
concept/market - all 'poor 2nd cousin post merger' Chrysler is going to get
is things that don't/won't effect Mercedes sales??!!
I am here in Australia, and we are currently being buried with copy of a
maybe coming new 300C - this sucks, it is no 300C. What next, a new 300F -
better hope it isn't a truck ?!
Get busy, start a serious movement to let Daimler know - hands off our
heritage, our hard earned names. As us aussies would say "bugger off", find
your own.
Aussie Christopher
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