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There are 15 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
3. Newport??
From: "my69300" <tubman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
4. Name confusion and DC marketing
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Newport??
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: Master Cylinder Acting Up
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
7. "wanted" ads
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
8. A 1968 300 question?
From: "Jim & Debbie Soucia" <jstruck@xxxxxxxxxx>
9. How many years did they build 300C's???......
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
10. 300B parts needs
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
11. Re: RE: a common 'brakes not releasing cause'
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Re: new 300C's and what cars does D-C wish to build/sell???
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
13. Re: RE: a common 'brakes not releasing cause'
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: new 300C's and what cars does D-C wish to build/sell???
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
15. carburetor
From: "car man" <carbuyer02@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 06:59:42 -0400
From: Mark Souders <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
Hi,
I have the exact same problem with my H. It's supposed to be an NOS master
cylinder, that means it's over 40 years old. I'm thinking it must be
replaced.
Mark Souders
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Bakanau [SMTP:FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: chrysler
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
>
> I've replaced the wheel cylinders on my C-300 and flushed the system and
> replaced the fluid with silicone type. (I like the silicone brake fluid
> cuzz it does not absorb moisture which we have a lot of here on Oregon.)
> But after I drive the car a bit, the petal gets very hard, the brakes drag
> and the stop lights stay on. Hmmm.... So I just crack the fitting loose on
> the master cylinder, I get squirt of fluid and all is fine for a while.
> I
> suspect it's a check valve problem in the master cylinder, but before I go
> tearing into it, anyone have sage advice?
>
> Frank
>
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:12:54 -0400
From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
Happy Friday. Fluid movement is affected by restrictions in the line -- or problems with mechanical movement. After looking for kinked/rotten line, Spot check one or two of the wheel cylinder / brake shoe / return spring setups. Look for free movement of the brake shoes across the backing plate; without restrictions in the seating/pivot recesses of the adjuster plates. Look for any evidence of improper brake shoe steel contact with the drum. Look also for weak/broken/missing return springs. Those stout little springs exert a bunch of force that should easily push fluid back into the master. The shoes and springs should definitely not wiggle. Verify that your brakes aren't adjust too tight against the drums (wheels spin somewhat freely).
Other stuff: Peer under your dash and drip a little oil on the brake pedal pivot bolts. The brake pedal should move back out easily. Check for over-eager tightening at the pivot bolts.
If new steel lines have been installed, its possible small shavings (from the inside flare) could be jambed in the fittings; restricting flow.
Within the master & wheel cylinders, the rubber cups could have been installed wrong -- or contaminated to cause distortion of the seals. This usually just causes leaks, and would be unlikely to stop fluid return unless a whole bunch of junk accumulated in them.
The spring within the master must be present. Its usually not very strong, allowing easy movement of the piston prior to adding fluid to the system. If an NOS master -- or a rebuilt unit sits too long, rust might also stop easy movement.
Thats all from me. Have a great weekend. mv
-----Original Message-----
From: Mark Souders [mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:00 AM
To: 'Frank Bakanau'; chrysler
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
Hi,
I have the exact same problem with my H. It's supposed to be an NOS master
cylinder, that means it's over 40 years old. I'm thinking it must be
replaced.
Mark Souders
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Bakanau [SMTP:FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:24 PM
> To: chrysler
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
>
> I've replaced the wheel cylinders on my C-300 and flushed the system and
> replaced the fluid with silicone type. (I like the silicone brake fluid
> cuzz it does not absorb moisture which we have a lot of here on Oregon.)
> But after I drive the car a bit, the petal gets very hard, the brakes drag
> and the stop lights stay on. Hmmm.... So I just crack the fitting loose on
> the master cylinder, I get squirt of fluid and all is fine for a while.
> I
> suspect it's a check valve problem in the master cylinder, but before I go
> tearing into it, anyone have sage advice?
>
> Frank
>
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 12:26:05 -0000
From: "my69300" <tubman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Newport??
This is not a 300 ?? But it is a Chrysler ?
I found a 61/62 Newport in my area and
it's in fair to good shape.
What I would like to know is where is the
vin. number? It's not on the dash and I
can't get in the car.How can I go about
tracking down the owner?
This is one sharp looking car!
And also what is a fair price?
Thanks Chris
69 300 vert.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 13:01:15 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Name confusion and DC marketing
300 marketing has always been bit strange. Please realize that
the '55 was the "C68-300" to distinguish the performance chassis from
the C68 New Yorker. The name C-300 was result of the Cunningham cars
and other Dreamcars that had carried alpha-numeric designations,
married with horsepower.
The present costernation is amplified by the Daimler-Benz history of
THEIR 300 series of engine displacement cars ranging from Gullwings
to 4-door convertibles, not to mention a whole series of other taxies
and Diesels.
More than once in the past few years I have heard the "great
unwashed" public say, "Oh, look! Someone made up an old 300M.", upon
seeing my 300C ragtops.
Maybe someone at current D-C will find someone in marketing that can
both read and comprehend the history and straighten things out.
L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 07:25:29 -0600
From: "Kelly Pierce" <jkrestor300@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Newport??
Chris-
First off your email is a tad confusing- Is it a 300 or a Newport? Is it
a 61(Fins) or a 62(No Fins)?
The vin plate on 61 or 62 Chryslers in on the door pillar right above the
front edge of the sill plate. No you can't see it with the car locked up,
one of the reasons the Feds made the manufacturers move it to the dash for
the 1968 model year and that's where it has stayed. Law enforcement could
not check a vin on a car prior to the 68 model year without opening a door
and in some states that is still considered a misdemeanor offense just to
open a car door without the owners permission. With the change it eliminated
that problem.
In all most all states now motor vehicle registration info is NOT
available to the public like it used to be, due to privacy laws, stalking
laws etc. Call your local DMV office to find out if your state will allow
them to tell you registration info. If not them ask neighbors etc. near
where the car sits.Does the car have license plates on it? Is it sitting on
private property or on a public street? Email me privately and I can answer
more of you questions. Joe Pierce 300J+Kx3+M+others
----- Original Message -----
From: "my69300" <tubman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 6:26 AM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Newport??
> This is not a 300 ?? But it is a Chrysler ?
> I found a 61/62 Newport in my area and
> it's in fair to good shape.
> What I would like to know is where is the
> vin. number? It's not on the dash and I
> can't get in the car.How can I go about
> tracking down the owner?
> This is one sharp looking car!
> And also what is a fair price?
> Thanks Chris
> 69 300 vert.
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 09:55:55 EDT
From: dan300f@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Master Cylinder Acting Up
Hi all:
I think Jack Farris hit it. I had a similar problem on my '66 300 conv.
years ago. Solution was to adjust the length (shorten) of the push rod. On
the '66, it is the front end of the rod. On my '56 Dodge, the adjustment is
at the yoke where it connects to the brake pedal. Perhaps is the same for
'55's.
Dan Reitz
Northridge, CA
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 15:01:09 -0700 (PDT)
From: Andy Mikonis <r41hp@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: "wanted" ads
Hi All,
Don't forget we run ads for parts wanted in the club
publications, too. If you don't find what you need
via the list server after a week or two, send your ad
to me and we'll run it in the Club News or Newsflite.
Majority of members are not online!
Also, if you said you were sending me an L story
and/or a photo to go with your L story, I'm really
going to need those by mid-week. I'll forward any
stragglers to Eleanor for possible use in Newsflite
later on.
Thanks,
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 18:22:54 -0400
From: "Jim & Debbie Soucia" <jstruck@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: A 1968 300 question?
We have been asked how many of our cars are left. Ours is a convertible and only 2161 were made. Where do I look to find out? Thanks Debby
Jim & Debby Soucia
jstruck@xxxxxxxxxx
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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:37:46 -0000
From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: How many years did they build 300C's???......
One half, just like the other 300 letter car limited editions.
For years in the sixties and seventies one would come across DEALERS
who said the 300's were never built!!! ....because they had never
seen one. It was the Japanese that inspired cookie cutter
production of identical cars to cut programming costs. Remember those
days of advertised $3,000 cars and everyone on the lot was $4,500???
People forget that the early 300's were equivalent to TWO Corvettes
or THREE T-birds if you loaded the Brute and scammed the plastic toy
or Bird. ....and the 300 was built to order only, meaning you
ordered your car and WAITED a few months for it to be built. No
walking the lots looking for the Parade Green one.
It was a whole different world. A world only RR, Bentley and few
others can afford.
L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 18:33:10 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300B parts needs
Can someone please help Cliff with his needs? Please reply to him directly.
He is on the listserver, so you may reply to him that way as well. His
e-mail is : cholt13@xxxxxxx
Thanks
John
My home address is cholt13@xxxxxxx
>
> I'm not that familiar with how the group emails work, but I'm in need of
> the chrome bezel that covers the pushbutton, for a torqueflite. ( I'm
> updating from a powerflite to torqueflite, but havnt been able to find
> this bezel). Could you make a posting for me.
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 11:48:28 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: a common 'brakes not releasing cause'
Al classic car owners/usersnote, if not already aware.
l
Another 'brakes not releasing' cause can be the flexible rubber brake hoses
to both front brakes, and often there is one onto the diff. 50s GM cars
(multiple 50s Cadillac in my personal experience) quite commonly by now seem
to restrict internally with age, the pedal pressure greater than what is
needed to allow the fluid back after release pedal.
My experience is ALWAYS replace the front brake hoses if they look like they
are original/old -this avoids possible non-releasing brakes dramas on a
trip, not to mention they might fai/blow/burstl due to age.
Aussie Christopher
>From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: 'Mark Souders' <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'"
><chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
>Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:12:54 -0400
>
>Happy Friday. Fluid movement is affected by restrictions in the line -- or
>problems with mechanical movement. After looking for kinked/rotten line,
>Spot check one or two of the wheel cylinder / brake shoe / return spring
>setups. Look for free movement of the brake shoes across the backing plate;
>without restrictions in the seating/pivot recesses of the adjuster plates.
>Look for any evidence of improper brake shoe steel contact with the drum.
>Look also for weak/broken/missing return springs. Those stout little
>springs exert a bunch of force that should easily push fluid back into the
>master. The shoes and springs should definitely not wiggle. Verify that
>your brakes aren't adjust too tight against the drums (wheels spin somewhat
>freely).
>
>Other stuff: Peer under your dash and drip a little oil on the brake
>pedal pivot bolts. The brake pedal should move back out easily. Check for
>over-eager tightening at the pivot bolts.
>
>If new steel lines have been installed, its possible small shavings (from
>the inside flare) could be jambed in the fittings; restricting flow.
>
>Within the master & wheel cylinders, the rubber cups could have been
>installed wrong -- or contaminated to cause distortion of the seals. This
>usually just causes leaks, and would be unlikely to stop fluid return
>unless a whole bunch of junk accumulated in them.
>
>The spring within the master must be present. Its usually not very strong,
>allowing easy movement of the piston prior to adding fluid to the system.
>If an NOS master -- or a rebuilt unit sits too long, rust might also stop
>easy movement.
>Thats all from me. Have a great weekend. mv
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Mark Souders [mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:00 AM
>To: 'Frank Bakanau'; chrysler
>Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
>
>
>Hi,
>I have the exact same problem with my H. It's supposed to be an NOS master
>cylinder, that means it's over 40 years old. I'm thinking it must be
>replaced.
>
>Mark Souders
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Frank Bakanau [SMTP:FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:24 PM
> > To: chrysler
> > Subject: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
> >
> > I've replaced the wheel cylinders on my C-300 and flushed the system and
> > replaced the fluid with silicone type. (I like the silicone brake fluid
> > cuzz it does not absorb moisture which we have a lot of here on Oregon.)
> > But after I drive the car a bit, the petal gets very hard, the brakes
>drag
> > and the stop lights stay on. Hmmm.... So I just crack the fitting loose
>on
> > the master cylinder, I get squirt of fluid and all is fine for a while.
> > I
> > suspect it's a check valve problem in the master cylinder, but before I
>go
> > tearing into it, anyone have sage advice?
> >
> > Frank
> >
> >
> >
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:37:48 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C's and what cars does D-C wish to build/sell???
With regard to what name Chrysler should use on it's new hemi car - I note
one detractor says in effect 'get on with your life, it (the 300C) was too
long ago. A pity he did not indicate what cars he owns, or has owned, what
300Cs, etc.. May I suggest he and other like minded people let us practice
our democratic right to say what we think, and those not interested just
delete us un-read?!
I repeat my previous message's thought - if we had not saved these early 300
letter cars, D-C would not wish to re-use their names !!??
I purchased my first 300C in Feb 1981, I had to come to America to buy it,
brought it on a hunch it should be a great drivers car, this apart from it's
looks.
My first car was a 30 A Ford Roadster, and every car since I have owned to
drive, my most most normal car a 1972 Lambo Espada, and for 27 years I owned
perhaps the ultimate fun/road performance car, a 385bhp 1967 AC Cobra Mk III
(289 hipo motor in coil spring chassis, the best ever Cobra, not the more
common 'unsafe to push hard' cast iron 427).
I have owned and driven over 100 cars, and some are very memorable because
they were just so enjoyable to drive compared to others that should have
been the same. ( An example - the 1937 Buick Century is a brilliant car to
drive compared to drive to Packard's 120 series 8 cylinder, maybe because
the Packard steering is too slow, a cheap nasty floor gearchange - who
knows?! )
I believe when the definitive history of 'cars before 2000' is written,
there will be three landmark production cars recognised, this because they
possessed so uncommon looks and performance advances way beyond the rest of
industry.
Firstly I nominate the Lamborghini Espada - outstanding looks, that
magnificent V-12, and the world's first mass selling rear engine V-12 - it
sold in thousands which Ford GT 40 cannot claim. For all it's low looks, you
can sit in the driver's seat and see and drive so easily.
The second contendor has to be the 1957 300C - most other prduction sedans
were struggling to do 120mph - a well tuned a C can do 140 mph. Add to this
anti-dive torsoin bar suspension maybe 10 years before Europe, the ultimate
form 392 original hemi, and that so unique/outstanding body shape,
grille,simple but effective interior, etc..
Argue all you like, Chrsyler created a true masterpiece. The 300C owes it's
place to the 300B and the first 300, this apart from the added bonus that on
today's radials it is a blast to drive, this so hard to make happen.
What I am leading to, is what sort of cars does Chrysler wish to build ??!!
Chrysler should not need to try and con people into thinking they are
buying a piece of history to sell a Chrysler, by re-using the 300C name.
Chrysler has a perhaps equal 'hemi heritage' - the basic design still rules
the drag strips - 50 years of winning, unrivalled in history for one design
!!?? Chrysler should shout it's hemi heritage loud and long?
But at the end of it all, if Chrysler is half smart, it should try and BUILD
NEW DRIVER'S CARS - NEW LEGENDS. They are the cars buyers seek out, need no
fancy names or advertising.
A more appropriate name for their new car is - the new CHRYSLER HEMI. At
the worst they could call it the HEMI C. Kids, most all new buyers today,
do not know what a 300C is, but hey, a hell of a lot more know of the
'Chrysler Hemi'. The new car is not a 300, never can be close as a 4dr,
etc., but it is a hemi. Tell them to go with that, plus it will sell a lot
easier, better. And if it is just 'half a driver's car', maybe the demand
will grow, and they bring out a coupe/roadster worthy of the 300 logo?!
yours
Aussie Christopher
I b
>From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: [Chrysler300] How many years did they build 300C's???......
>Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:37:46 -0000
>
>One half, just like the other 300 letter car limited editions.
>
>For years in the sixties and seventies one would come across DEALERS
>who said the 300's were never built!!! ....because they had never
>seen one. It was the Japanese that inspired cookie cutter
>production of identical cars to cut programming costs. Remember those
>days of advertised $3,000 cars and everyone on the lot was $4,500???
>
>People forget that the early 300's were equivalent to TWO Corvettes
>or THREE T-birds if you loaded the Brute and scammed the plastic toy
>or Bird. ....and the 300 was built to order only, meaning you
>ordered your car and WAITED a few months for it to be built. No
>walking the lots looking for the Parade Green one.
>
>It was a whole different world. A world only RR, Bentley and few
>others can afford.
>
>L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
>
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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 20:21:09 -0700
From: G Barker <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: RE: a common 'brakes not releasing cause'
I had a friend with a 1978 FMC Motor home that kept burning up the left front brake
rotor On the second time he called me to help him. The Rubber brake line had collapsed
it would hold the brake pressure in the caliper. New line fixed it.
I had a 1953 Ford 350 Fire Truck. Very low miles but we put a new master cylinder on
it. The Brakes would lockup about every two miles. We bleed the brakes and go another 2
miles. It was the master cylinder. You just never know.
Gary Barker
christopher beilby wrote:
> Al classic car owners/usersnote, if not already aware.
> l
> Another 'brakes not releasing' cause can be the flexible rubber brake hoses
> to both front brakes, and often there is one onto the diff. 50s GM cars
> (multiple 50s Cadillac in my personal experience) quite commonly by now seem
> to restrict internally with age, the pedal pressure greater than what is
> needed to allow the fluid back after release pedal.
>
> My experience is ALWAYS replace the front brake hoses if they look like they
> are original/old -this avoids possible non-releasing brakes dramas on a
> trip, not to mention they might fai/blow/burstl due to age.
>
> Aussie Christopher
>
> >From: "Vath, Michael J." <mjvath@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: 'Mark Souders' <souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "'chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx'"
> ><chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >Subject: [Chrysler300] RE: Master Cylinder Acting Up
> >Date: Fri, 9 May 2003 08:12:54 -0400
> >
> >Happy Friday. Fluid movement is affected by restrictions in the line -- or
> >problems with mechanical movement. After looking for kinked/rotten line,
> >Spot check one or two of the wheel cylinder / brake shoe / return spring
> >setups. Look for free movement of the brake shoes across the backing plate;
> >without restrictions in the seating/pivot recesses of the adjuster plates.
> >Look for any evidence of improper brake shoe steel contact with the drum.
> >Look also for weak/broken/missing return springs. Those stout little
> >springs exert a bunch of force that should easily push fluid back into the
> >master. The shoes and springs should definitely not wiggle. Verify that
> >your brakes aren't adjust too tight against the drums (wheels spin somewhat
> >freely).
> >
> >Other stuff: Peer under your dash and drip a little oil on the brake
> >pedal pivot bolts. The brake pedal should move back out easily. Check for
> >over-eager tightening at the pivot bolts.
> >
> >If new steel lines have been installed, its possible small shavings (from
> >the inside flare) could be jambed in the fittings; restricting flow.
> >
> >Within the master & wheel cylinders, the rubber cups could have been
> >installed wrong -- or contaminated to cause distortion of the seals. This
> >usually just causes leaks, and would be unlikely to stop fluid return
> >unless a whole bunch of junk accumulated in them.
> >
> >The spring within the master must be present. Its usually not very strong,
> >allowing easy movement of the piston prior to adding fluid to the system.
> >If an NOS master -- or a rebuilt unit sits too long, rust might also stop
> >easy movement.
> >Thats all from me. Have a great weekend. mv
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Souders [mailto:souders@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> >Sent: Friday, May 09, 2003 7:00 AM
> >To: 'Frank Bakanau'; chrysler
> >Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
> >
> >
> >Hi,
> >I have the exact same problem with my H. It's supposed to be an NOS master
> >cylinder, that means it's over 40 years old. I'm thinking it must be
> >replaced.
> >
> >Mark Souders
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Frank Bakanau [SMTP:FBAKANAU@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Thursday, May 08, 2003 8:24 PM
> > > To: chrysler
> > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Master Cylinder Acting Up
> > >
> > > I've replaced the wheel cylinders on my C-300 and flushed the system and
> > > replaced the fluid with silicone type. (I like the silicone brake fluid
> > > cuzz it does not absorb moisture which we have a lot of here on Oregon.)
> > > But after I drive the car a bit, the petal gets very hard, the brakes
> >drag
> > > and the stop lights stay on. Hmmm.... So I just crack the fitting loose
> >on
> > > the master cylinder, I get squirt of fluid and all is fine for a while.
> > > I
> > > suspect it's a check valve problem in the master cylinder, but before I
> >go
> > > tearing into it, anyone have sage advice?
> > >
> > > Frank
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:35:48 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C's and what cars does D-C wish to build/sell???
Well written, Mate!
Ray Jones
> From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 12:37:48 +1000
> To: lajugle@xxxxxxxxx, Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] new 300C's and what cars does D-C wish to
> build/sell???
>
> With regard to what name Chrysler should use on it's new hemi car - I note
> one detractor says in effect 'get on with your life, it (the 300C) was too
> long ago. A pity he did not indicate what cars he owns, or has owned, what
> 300Cs, etc.. May I suggest he and other like minded people let us practice
> our democratic right to say what we think, and those not interested just
> delete us un-read?!
>
> I repeat my previous message's thought - if we had not saved these early 300
> letter cars, D-C would not wish to re-use their names !!??
>
> I purchased my first 300C in Feb 1981, I had to come to America to buy it,
> brought it on a hunch it should be a great drivers car, this apart from it's
> looks.
>
> My first car was a 30 A Ford Roadster, and every car since I have owned to
> drive, my most most normal car a 1972 Lambo Espada, and for 27 years I owned
> perhaps the ultimate fun/road performance car, a 385bhp 1967 AC Cobra Mk III
> (289 hipo motor in coil spring chassis, the best ever Cobra, not the more
> common 'unsafe to push hard' cast iron 427).
>
> I have owned and driven over 100 cars, and some are very memorable because
> they were just so enjoyable to drive compared to others that should have
> been the same. ( An example - the 1937 Buick Century is a brilliant car to
> drive compared to drive to Packard's 120 series 8 cylinder, maybe because
> the Packard steering is too slow, a cheap nasty floor gearchange - who
> knows?! )
>
> I believe when the definitive history of 'cars before 2000' is written,
> there will be three landmark production cars recognised, this because they
> possessed so uncommon looks and performance advances way beyond the rest of
> industry.
>
> Firstly I nominate the Lamborghini Espada - outstanding looks, that
> magnificent V-12, and the world's first mass selling rear engine V-12 - it
> sold in thousands which Ford GT 40 cannot claim. For all it's low looks, you
> can sit in the driver's seat and see and drive so easily.
>
> The second contendor has to be the 1957 300C - most other prduction sedans
> were struggling to do 120mph - a well tuned a C can do 140 mph. Add to this
> anti-dive torsoin bar suspension maybe 10 years before Europe, the ultimate
> form 392 original hemi, and that so unique/outstanding body shape,
> grille,simple but effective interior, etc..
>
> Argue all you like, Chrsyler created a true masterpiece. The 300C owes it's
> place to the 300B and the first 300, this apart from the added bonus that on
> today's radials it is a blast to drive, this so hard to make happen.
>
> What I am leading to, is what sort of cars does Chrysler wish to build ??!!
> Chrysler should not need to try and con people into thinking they are
> buying a piece of history to sell a Chrysler, by re-using the 300C name.
>
> Chrysler has a perhaps equal 'hemi heritage' - the basic design still rules
> the drag strips - 50 years of winning, unrivalled in history for one design
> !!?? Chrysler should shout it's hemi heritage loud and long?
>
> But at the end of it all, if Chrysler is half smart, it should try and BUILD
> NEW DRIVER'S CARS - NEW LEGENDS. They are the cars buyers seek out, need no
> fancy names or advertising.
>
> A more appropriate name for their new car is - the new CHRYSLER HEMI. At
> the worst they could call it the HEMI C. Kids, most all new buyers today,
> do not know what a 300C is, but hey, a hell of a lot more know of the
> 'Chrysler Hemi'. The new car is not a 300, never can be close as a 4dr,
> etc., but it is a hemi. Tell them to go with that, plus it will sell a lot
> easier, better. And if it is just 'half a driver's car', maybe the demand
> will grow, and they bring out a coupe/roadster worthy of the 300 logo?!
>
> yours
>
> Aussie Christopher
>
> I b
>
>
>> From: "L.Andrew Jugle" <lajugle@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [Chrysler300] How many years did they build 300C's???......
>> Date: Fri, 09 May 2003 22:37:46 -0000
>>
>> One half, just like the other 300 letter car limited editions.
>>
>> For years in the sixties and seventies one would come across DEALERS
>> who said the 300's were never built!!! ....because they had never
>> seen one. It was the Japanese that inspired cookie cutter
>> production of identical cars to cut programming costs. Remember those
>> days of advertised $3,000 cars and everyone on the lot was $4,500???
>>
>> People forget that the early 300's were equivalent to TWO Corvettes
>> or THREE T-birds if you loaded the Brute and scammed the plastic toy
>> or Bird. ....and the 300 was built to order only, meaning you
>> ordered your car and WAITED a few months for it to be built. No
>> walking the lots looking for the Parade Green one.
>>
>> It was a whole different world. A world only RR, Bentley and few
>> others can afford.
>>
>> L.Andrew Jugle, Elmhurst,IL
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 10 May 2003 03:42:37 +0000
From: "car man" <carbuyer02@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: carburetor
how can i help the carburetor "perform"
and get the correct air/ fuel without overdoing it???
thank you for your time
shawn
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