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Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 05:30:05 -0500

Title: [Chrysler300] Digest Number 759

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There are 13 messages in this issue.

Topics in this digest:

      1. Possible Scam
           From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
      2. Re: convertable question
           From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      3. '57 front brakes: what i've found ...
           From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      4. Ebay scams
           From: "Johan" <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
      5. Re: '57 front brakes: what i've found ...
           From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      6. Re: '57 front brakes: what i've found ...
           From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      7. new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
           From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
      8. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
           From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
      9. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
           From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
     10. Re: Ebay scams
           From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
     11. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
           From: "Tom Barrett" <tfb2@xxxxxxx>
     12. NEVER, NEVER REVEAL YOUR PASSWORD OR OTHER PERSONAL INFORMATION
           From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
     13.
           From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>

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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 08:01:17 EDT
From: quentsmith@xxxxxxx
Subject: Possible Scam

Dear Listers,

Last week I received a check in the mail for $89,500.16 for the
purchase of a digital church organ I had for sale at $65,000 on the internet. The so
called purchaser wanted me to send the difference to them via Western Union
to cover the shipping. The wire address was in London, England.

This is a scam! I took the check to the bank, had them call the
company that it was issued on and it turns out it was stolen somehow as the check
was originally made out to Con Edison to pay their light bill! I am sure the
check would have cleared at first only to be found out when the reconciliation
was done when the cancelled checks came in and then you would be out the amount
you sent. Apparently they process the stolen check by removing the original
name and amount and fill yours in.

BEWARE ANYONE INTERESTED IN YOUR ITEM AND CLAIMS THEY HAVE THEIR OWN
SHIPPER. Most of them are not interested in the item, other than a picture, and
never ask about the condition or barter on price. I have gotten more than ten
offers this way, this is the first time a check showed up and I knew already
it was a scam.

Call the Secret Service, they deal with these scams and will prosecute
as it is mail fraud to begin with, just for starters.

       I now have a souvenir check on the wall for fun.

                        Quentin Smith, 300C, 300H, 300 Ram K.

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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 09:51:04 -0700
From: "Ryan Hill" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: convertable question

Chris, why not rebuild it? Usually when top motors go it's just the brushes
in the motor or sometimes a relay. I don't have any experience with older
converts but my newer 90's Chrysler converts have been easy fixes. (And
cheap, brushes can be had for less than five bucks)

Maybe some other members have had experience fixing top motors on 60's cars?

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:22:59 +0200
From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: '57 front brakes: what i've found ...

This afternoon i've removed the two front drums from my '57 Imperial
(remember that i've 2 problems: one is locking left wheel when cold, 2nd
is pulling left when hot, see previous posts).
- Someone send me this post:

>Phil, you're having the same problem myself and others at the power company
>I work for are having. The brakes on my company truck would grab hard the
>first few times I applied the brakes after the truck sat overnight. The
>mechanics told me it was moisture getting into the brake linings. Alot of
>brake linings are no longer built with asbestos in them so they are made of
>a moisture absorbing material. The environmentalists at work. I suggest
>trying to find someone who will reline your brake shoes with original
>lining and I'll bet the problem goes away.
>
And i think it's right.

But i've found other interseting thing !!! First, no leaking, no grease
or oil on linings, no fluid in the wheel cylinder boots. All parts are
perfect (don't know for return springs, see pics)
As someone gave me a "comparator" (don't know if it's the correct word
but see pic) i take some measurements on the 4 front drums i've (2 from
my car and 2 from my "donor parts car"). Surprisingly the two drums from
my car (which has been turned 2 years ago because the car pullled to one
side) are badly out-of-round !!
- # 1: (the original right side which was replaced by one from the
parts car some months ago, see # 3 ) has 0.0060 out-of-round (FSM says:
max 0.0040). Now i know why i replace it !
- # 2 (which is the left side on my car): 0.0027 inside and 0.0047
outside !!!! So the drum is cone shaped ... It's the "locking" side. As
i said these drums were turned by a professional 2 years ago !!!
- # 3: The right on my car (which was one from the parts car and it's
original) has 0.0015 out-of-round
- # 4: The left from the parts car (which was on a shed and also
original): 0.0019 out-of-round.
So i've removed the "conical" drum and put the 0.0019 which is a little
"grooved" but i think it's better than a cone-shaped drum. Now i've the
0.0015 and the 0.0019.
I've not tested the car, i finished at night. I'll check tomorrow.

Pics of the drums and measurements (on an original knuckle !) are at
http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f/brakes.htm

Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon

- American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com

- Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f

- Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad

- SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 23:01:49 +0200
From: "Johan" <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Ebay scams

Hello over there.

I have received a scam mail a couple of times the last two, three weeks.
It looks just like it comes from Ebay, asking for passwords and creditcard nr's
and stuff. It says, if you don't answer these questions, you'll lose your right to
bid on Ebay. The site they have made is a exact copy of Ebay.
I reported it to Ebay and they confirmed that they will NEVER ask for passwords
or creditcard nr's via E-mail.
If anybody want a copy of the scam-mail just for to see the great work the bandits
have done, just mail me and I will send it to you.
I also have the answer from Ebay if anybody want to see it.

Best regards..... Johan

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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 16:13:55 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: '57 front brakes: what i've found ...

The problem with a Professional (and I was one) is that it all gets routine.
Too many years ago, when we installed a new Ammco Brake lathe, the Rep
demo'ed it to us. He set it up and showed all the proper checks and so
forth, and then cut the drum. Perfect, any way you measured it. He then took
a pack of ciggerettes out of his pocket. He tore a strip of the celephane
wrapper and loosened the lock nut on the lathe. He put the ultra thin strip
between the cone and the headstock of the lathe. When he started to recut
the drum, it cut noticeably crooked. So, that little bit can throw it off
and the only way to get it right is to make sure every part is clean, and
it's on straight to start with.
Ray Jones

> From: Philippe Courant <accf-club@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:22:59 +0200
> To: "mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Chrysler
> 300 Yahoo List Server <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Fwdlk
> <L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: [Chrysler300] '57 front brakes: what i've found ...
>
> This afternoon i've removed the two front drums from my '57 Imperial
> (remember that i've 2 problems: one is locking left wheel when cold, 2nd
> is pulling left when hot, see previous posts).
> - Someone send me this post:
>
>> Phil, you're having the same problem myself and others at the power company
>> I work for are having. The brakes on my company truck would grab hard the
>> first few times I applied the brakes after the truck sat overnight. The
>> mechanics told me it was moisture getting into the brake linings. Alot of
>> brake linings are no longer built with asbestos in them so they are made of
>> a moisture absorbing material. The environmentalists at work. I suggest
>> trying to find someone who will reline your brake shoes with original
>> lining and I'll bet the problem goes away.
>>
> And i think it's right.
>
> But i've found other interseting thing !!! First, no leaking, no grease
> or oil on linings, no fluid in the wheel cylinder boots. All parts are
> perfect (don't know for return springs, see pics)
> As someone gave me a "comparator" (don't know if it's the correct word
> but see pic) i take some measurements on the 4 front drums i've (2 from
> my car and 2 from my "donor parts car"). Surprisingly the two drums from
> my car (which has been turned 2 years ago because the car pullled to one
> side) are badly out-of-round !!
> - # 1: (the original right side which was replaced by one from the
> parts car some months ago, see # 3 ) has 0.0060 out-of-round (FSM says:
> max 0.0040). Now i know why i replace it !
> - # 2 (which is the left side on my car): 0.0027 inside and 0.0047
> outside !!!! So the drum is cone shaped ... It's the "locking" side. As
> i said these drums were turned by a professional 2 years ago !!!
> - # 3: The right on my car (which was one from the parts car and it's
> original) has 0.0015 out-of-round
> - # 4: The left from the parts car (which was on a shed and also
> original): 0.0019 out-of-round.
> So i've removed the "conical" drum and put the 0.0019 which is a little
> "grooved" but i think it's better than a cone-shaped drum. Now i've the
> 0.0015 and the 0.0019.
> I've not tested the car, i finished at night. I'll check tomorrow.
>
> Pics of the drums and measurements (on an original knuckle !) are at
> http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f/brakes.htm
>
>
> --
>
> Philippe COURANT (Pau, France)- Webmaster des sites ACCF et C-I-F
> Imperial 1957 Crown convertible
> Buick 1996 Roadmaster wagon
>
> - American Car Club de France (ACCF) : http://www.accf.com
>
> - Chrysler Imperial France (C-I-F) : http://www.ifrance.com/c-i-f
>
> - Cadillac " Standard of Excellence " : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-cad
>
> - SportsCars : http://www.ifrance.com/accf-sprtcar
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 15:11:38 -0700
From: "Warren R Anderson" <wranderson@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: '57 front brakes: what i've found ...

He put the ultra thin strip
between the cone and the headstock of the lathe. When he started to recut
the drum, it cut noticeably crooked. So, that little bit can throw it off
and the only way to get it right is to make sure every part is clean, and
it's on straight to start with.

And if the tool bits are not sharp or the feed is set too high or - - - -.
But bell mouthed or out of round should not be setup problems. Out of round
could be uneven cutting due to hard spots or the drums just got hot from use
which can happen real fast.

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 10:24:29 +1000
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

Sorry to go here again but it seems certain somebody should tell Chrysler
like it is??!!

Daimler Chrysler are bloody lucky I am over here in Australia, as it looks
like they are determined to prostitute the 300C name trying to give it to
that absolute shocker (looks wise) of new hemi.

Obviously they know it looks so bad that they must try something/anything,
to sell it??!!
And either they are pig stupid to not know certain/many? in the 300 Club do
not approve of using so cheaply a name/image that truly is
worthy/significant.
(And if they so pig stupid to claim to be unaware many are not happy, then
don't hold your breath for how good, clever, the car will be ?!)

Old man Chrysler would/will turn in his grave that his old Company/name, has
to resort to such means to sell product?! I mean whatever happened to
building a car that sold itself, didn't need any cons/tricks?!

I challenge/dare Chrysler to fly me over there, let them try and sell me on
why the car is worthy of Exner's original 300C name, not to mention using
the 300 name. (I mean so many V8 engines today are ohc, 4 valve, etc ?!)

Australia has been very badly treated by our politicians encouraging selling
off 100% to foreigners, all our major companies, iron ore, alluminium, power
companies, meatworks, etc, etc, so today we own nothing, are too often
reduced to low paid employees - virtually everything, the profits go
offshore, they no longer pay tax here - and our dollar has gone from 120US
to recently 55.
And you, America - if Chrysler's best idea is use the 300C name to try and
sell an obvuiosly most ugly car since the Edsel fiasco (Which to me
personally the Edsel is way more attractive than the new "***##@@!***") -
then god bless America, because you are headed the same way as us.

You guys go to their launch, but take a few good 300Cs, ones that are well
tuned, on radials, and run them (attending journos) round the block, stick
your heavy accelerator foot into them, and show them how Chrysler used to
build cars that had guts and looks, character - and in the 300C, a true
milestone.

Chrsyler's new 300C will be a milestone - it will be remembered as the most
prostituting of an icon trying to sell a car that will be as memorable as
the Edsel for building a car of just so bad appearance.

Sorry to rave on, but GM knew by the 20s that looks sold cars, and here is
Chrysler 80 years later refusing to learn from history - maybe they are
better of selling babies nappies, anything, but cars?! At least if Chrysler
do so bad out of this, they may soon be selling nappies, and the 300F, B,
and other letters will be safe?!

over to you yanks - you are there, your chance to go and tell them, the
journos, what you think. Ford killed it's Thunderbird chance by botching
it, 300 looks next??! Have you guys really been taking the same stupid
pills we obviously have?

Aussie Christopher

>From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: [Chrysler300] special invitation from Daimler / Chrysler to all
>Chrysler 300 Club Int'l members
>Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2003 21:16:09 -0400
>
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/card.pdf
>or
>http://www.chrysler300club.com/invite.jpg
>
>To all members, especially those in the Chicago area:
>
>I have been contacted by BBDO - Detroit - the Chrysler Advertising Agency
>in Michigan. They are working on the marketing and advertising launch for
>the new 300 Series for Chrysler. Chrysler Brand Managers are hereby
>inviting YOU - any Chrysler 300 Club member from the area. A couple of
>members of DCX engineering and an Editor of Car and Driver / Road & Track
>will be making a presentation on the 300C Hemi. Sneak preview next
>Tuesday. Please CALL 888-423-3332 to make a required RESERVATION if you
>desire to attend.
>
>I have been specifically asked to pass on this invitation to Chrysler 300
>Club members via e-mail; please click on either of the above links (one is
>.jpg, the other .pdf ) to view the official invitation card.
>
>Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 6:00 to 8:00 PM
>at
>Galleria Marchetti
>825 W. Erie
>Chicago IL
>
>Guest Speaker: Car and Driver Editor Jim McCraw
>
>If you have any Club members friends in the area who do not have e-mail -
>call them and pass it on !
>
>Sincerely
>John Hertog
>
>
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>

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 20:46:54 -0400
From: "patrick grant" <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

we are going to have to send him some tranquilizers, i guess that is what happens when you live your life standing on your head.

----- Original Message -----
From: christopher beilby
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

Sorry to go here again but it seems certain somebody should tell Chrysler
like it is??!!

Daimler Chrysler are bloody lucky I am over here in Australia, as it looks
like they are determined to prostitute the 300C name trying to give it to
that absolute shocker (looks wise) of new hemi.

Aussie Christopher

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 18:35:34 -0700
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

Uh, gee Chris, I guess you haven't taken a liking to the latest 300 offering from DC. As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. The sales record will tell the story. Personally, I don't have a problem with the styling, but I do have a problem with the name. It should have been a 300N or just a 300. 300C is too confusing.

It will be interesting to see how the public reacts to the car. I'm anxious to see one in person to really develop an overall opinion. I remember when the Dodge Ram trucks came out in '93. Many diehard MoPar fans did not like the styling and called it ugly. over time it became so popular that Ford and Chevy have had to work hard to keep up, taking styling cues from the Ram.

Time will tell...

Bob J

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 21:08:27 -0700
From: "Jim Pristelski" <ajp002@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Ebay scams

It is not just ebay either.   A couple of weeks ago, I received a message
"from" C2it, which is CitiBank's equivalent of paypal, advising that someone
wanted to send me $217.00   Naturally, that couldn't be done unless I first
registered with C2it, including giving them my social security number, bank
account numbers, etc. All of that would make it incredibly easily to do an
identity theft.   It looked very official with impressive graphics including
the CitiBank logo, etc. No way!! If it sounds too good, it probably is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Johan" <JOHAN.300@xxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 2:01 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Ebay scams

> Hello over there.
>
> I have received a scam mail a couple of times the last two, three weeks.
> It looks just like it comes from Ebay, asking for passwords and creditcard
nr's
> and stuff. It says, if you don't answer these questions, you'll lose your
right to
> bid on Ebay. The site they have made is a exact copy of Ebay.
> I reported it to Ebay and they confirmed that they will NEVER ask for
passwords
> or creditcard nr's via E-mail.
> If anybody want a copy of the scam-mail just for to see the great work the
bandits
> have done, just mail me and I will send it to you.
> I also have the answer from Ebay if anybody want to see it.
>
> Best regards..... Johan
>
>

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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2003 22:52:06 -0400
From: "Tom Barrett" <tfb2@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

I agree, Christopher. Not having seen one up close, I really should reserve
judgment. But they published the photos, and from what I see in the photos,
the upcoming '05 300C is one ugly automobile. Makes one want to run up and
pop out that famous egg crate grill.

My first thought was if they are going to call it 300C, the very least they
should do is to put some fins on it!

Let's see now. First they steal the company by lying, call it business, and
now this. I think this is just one more slap in the American face. A
company with the heritage of MB does know better. Maybe we can get Chevy to
call their next new Model a Me Bock.

Tom Barrett
300C - '57 that is.

----- Original Message -----
From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 8:24 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please go and tell them

Sorry to go here again but it seems certain somebody should tell Chrysler
like it is??!!

Daimler Chrysler are bloody lucky I am over here in Australia, as it looks
like they are determined to prostitute the 300C name trying to give it to
that absolute shocker (looks wise) of new hemi.

Aussie Christopher

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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:05:06 -0400
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: NEVER, NEVER REVEAL YOUR PASSWORD OR OTHER PERSONAL INFORMATION

Jim and Group,

Please, never give any personal info to anyone not already known personally
to you. See this link my brother sent to me on eBay scams. Your personal
info is the key to theft of your identity. And, as always, if it seems to
good to be true, it really is. And there ain't no tooth fairy or Easter
bunny either.

Bill Huff

http://www.msnbc.com/news/957191.asp?cp1=1

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Message: 13
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2003 01:33:20 -0400
From: William Huff <whuff@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject:

Bill Huff

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