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There are 16 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. Re: 300s
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
2. Re: apology, if due
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
3. Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
4. Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint - reply
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
5. Re: Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
6. Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
7. Re: opinion re: Chrysler 300
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
8. Re: Re: opinion re: Chrysler 300
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
9. my 300k
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
10. my 300k at shop pictures
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
11. 300 neon clock question
From: "The Cann's" <cann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
12. Chrysler 300 lettercars
From: "Rick Ehrmann" <tc440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
13. (unknown)
From: "lorenmorgan" <lorenmorgan@xxxxxxxxx>
14. Re: Chrysler 300 lettercars
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
15. Re: Chrysler 300 lettercars
From: "Kenneth R. Smitley" <Kens_Cars@xxxxxxx>
16. e-Bay 300 parts
From: Gary Nelson <garythepartsdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 09:24:54 EDT
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: Re: 300s
In a message dated 9/28/2003 9:46:09 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
cross.ram@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> We had 5 300's at the Franklin Mint car show today. All day all I kept
> hearing was "Where's Pete" and "Did anyone see Pete". We really did miss you
> Pete. On another note, two TRAILER QUEENS from N.J. drove their cars from
> their home to the show "IN THE RAIN". After the rain stopped it turned out
> to be a great day. Anyone looking to buy a Franklin Mint 56 Chebby Nomad?
>
>
My apologies, but it was raining at 5:00 AM when I woke up, and it continued
to rain until about 1:00 PM. It then resumed around 5:00 again for a while,
so I figured that we had simply avoided spending a day parked in the rain.
Additionally, it happened that yesterday's NASCAR race wa at Talladega, one of my
favorites. Congratulations to the two Daves for finally driving their cars
somewhere, as opposed to trailering them, and in the rain, no less. Sorry guys
- maybe next year, if they will accept my car again.
Pete
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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:06:59 -0500
From: Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: apology, if due
It is great to know all you "out of Staters", no matter where in the world
you live, and we're proud to have you in our little group.
I haven't seen it mentioned in this thread, but as I remember the "C" in
300C denoted Convertable. At that time, they said that they were only making
the Hemi in a convertable.
C/D has already extending the Letter Series with the 300M and soon the N.
Using the original Letter Series as background promotion from time to time.
And we all know they arn't close to the old "Brute" excitment! Still nice
cars though.
Ray Jones
> From: "christopher beilby" <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 17:56:43 +1000
> To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [Chrysler300] apology, if due
>
> If I have crosssed the line, or offended people by expressing my views on
> Chrysler's planned new 300C, I aplogise.
>
> Whilst expressing my view, I do not expect/ask that everyone agrees, but
> clearly it seems a case of Mercedes/Chrysler attempting to 'pass off', to
> use a legalistic term, the association/similarity, to the former original
> 300C. All over the world, 'protectors of copyrights', strongly oppose such
> uses.
>
> Earlier on I mentioned the Club should express some formal position to
> Mercedes re this, but unfortunately I do not believe this ever happened, not
> that it may have changed the outcome.
>
> Whilst I appreciate the 300 Club has many aims, if they felt it is not right
> to indicate there is certain displeasure at using the exact same name as was
> only formerely used on one particular model, and is accepted as that, then
> that is unfortunate, especially as the new 300C seemingly fails on being a
> four door, and so opposed to the visual impact, standout milestone styling,
> of Exner's 300C. But thank you for the too much space I took up here, and I
> am still free in my own right make my (personal) views known to the two
> regarded US magazines Car and Driver and Road & Track, and the suggestion
> they try and source a good 300C to drive and photograph.
>
> Many people overeseas look to America as an example of how people 'can make
> good', and feel/be free to express their mind (albeit in a rational manner).
> Australia has 'lost' many former icons, such as our (flying kangaroo) Qantas
> falling into British control/hands. Hopefully America will save/retain
> those of hers that are worth speaking up for?
>
> In future I hopefully leave space on this site for technical matters, and
> leave it to the future to judge who was right re the worthyness of the new
> 300C, which hopefully if fully deserves. Us aussies often say our mind, but
> then maybe that is possibly because we had to deal with the poms - but get
> to know us, and some of us aren't all bad.
>
> Aussie Christopher
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 13:32:50 EDT
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint
The California Chrysler Products Club had a show on Sunday and the subject of
the proper color for the engines was discussed. Much talk about Plasticote
being the right color but having been discontinued. Seems there was a thread
about this some weeks ago. My question? who cares? Chrysler still sells the
real stuff under Mopar Performance Engine Enamel Part number P4120752.
Probably available at your dealer but certainly available at Summit Racing for $7.95
a can. Their Sept-Oct calalog asks $5.95 a can but they are charging $7.95 in
spite of the old price. Still cheap enough and who can argue that Mopar
isn't the "keeper of the kolor"?
Since I was the emcee that awarded the trophies, I took my worst car so as
not to have to award myself a prize..........never-the-less the '66 300 rag
recently from Mena took first in 300s as there were no other entries. Where were
the rest of you NorCalr's?
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 14:41:41 -0400
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint - reply
Hey, Larry-Lefty - the Mopar "turquoise" P4120752 is far from a good match
to the original turquoise. It looks pretty bad, actually . I obtained a can
recently, and ended up using it to paint my garage's floor jack, as the
color was just so far from original that I could not bear to use it on a car
! I guess my floor jack will never win top honors in Club concours, either.
John
----- Original Message -----
From: <Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx>
To: <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 1:32 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint
The California Chrysler Products Club had a show on Sunday and the subject
of
the proper color for the engines was discussed. Much talk about Plasticote
being the right color but having been discontinued. Seems there was a
thread
about this some weeks ago. My question? who cares? Chrysler still sells
the
real stuff under Mopar Performance Engine Enamel Part number P4120752.
Probably available at your dealer but certainly available at Summit Racing
for $7.95
a can. Their Sept-Oct calalog asks $5.95 a can but they are charging $7.95
in
spite of the old price. Still cheap enough and who can argue that Mopar
isn't the "keeper of the kolor"?
Since I was the emcee that awarded the trophies, I took my worst car so as
not to have to award myself a prize..........never-the-less the '66 300 rag
recently from Mena took first in 300s as there were no other entries. Where
were
the rest of you NorCalr's?
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 11:49:44 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Mopar Turquoise Engine Paint
My experiences with the MP engine paint has been very
poor. Seems that 1/4 of the cans don't even spray,
the paint is thun and has poor coverage, it burns off.
--- Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx wrote:
> The California Chrysler Products Club had a show on
> Sunday and the subject of
> the proper color for the engines was discussed.
> Much talk about Plasticote
> being the right color but having been discontinued.
> Seems there was a thread
> about this some weeks ago. My question? who cares?
> Chrysler still sells the
> real stuff under Mopar Performance Engine Enamel
> Part number P4120752.
> Probably available at your dealer but certainly
> available at Summit Racing for $7.95
> a can. Their Sept-Oct calalog asks $5.95 a can but
> they are charging $7.95 in
> spite of the old price. Still cheap enough and who
> can argue that Mopar
> isn't the "keeper of the kolor"?
> Since I was the emcee that awarded the trophies, I
> took my worst car so as
> not to have to award myself a
> prize..........never-the-less the '66 300 rag
> recently from Mena took first in 300s as there were
> no other entries. Where were
> the rest of you NorCalr's?
>
> Larry W Jett
>
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:54:16 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: new 300C - yes, please go and tell them
especially with some peppers and onions.
--- patrick grant <gran102@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> lets watch the comments about redneck road kill.
> i'll have you know that here in tennessee we have a
> state law which mandates it is perfectly legal to
> eat road kill(at long as you make sure it is dead
> first). nothing more tasty than fresh possum or
> ground hog. pat grant
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: fastedgie@xxxxxxx
> To: thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2003 1:58 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] new 300C - yes, please
> go and tell them
>
>
> You are so right Christopher.
> But the Germans are running the company NOW!
> They actually think the use of the name 300C is a
> compliment to the legendary
> 57.
> The problem is cultural human perception.
> To you and I the use of the 300C name is as
> repulsive as the hospitality of a
> redneck dinner wherein the main course is fresh
> 'road kill'.
> The Germans just don't understand the American
> market.
> As far as the politicians selling out the country,
> there is nothing we can
> do. The decision makers are all going to be gone
> with their pockets filled
> before the problems are fully realised.
> Bob Eaton was a prime example. Personal wealth
> over the health of the
> Company or Country.
> The best part of Australia is what the Creator
> gave you. Look beyond the
> bastard politicians and enjoy!
>
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 12:58:07 -0700 (PDT)
From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: opinion re: Chrysler 300
my head hurts.
--- Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> ...yet another self-appointed 'expert'.
>
> 'Dan's Papers' ??? Is that one of those freebee
> things loaded with ads from
> local car dealerships ?!? LOL !
>
> Ron
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "John Hertog" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Chrysler 300 Club Listverver"
> <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:35 PM
> Subject: [Chrysler300] opinion re: Chrysler 300
>
>
> Listmembers !
>
> The following paragraph was published in "Dan's
> Papers" September 26,2003 -
> a Long Island to New York City publication with
> large circulation ; "Classic
> Cars" section written by Bob Gelber - the whole
> thing can be read at :
> http://www.danspapers.com/paper/cars.html
>
> "The original Chrysler 300, probably one of the most
> beautiful automobiles
> of 1955, got uglier every year as Chrysler
> introduced a wider, lower and
> longer model. Car collectors aren't stupid so the
> '55 Chrysler 300 is the
> only one of that series with big value."
>
> I am sure list members owners of 1956 and up
> Chrysler 300's will want to
> avail themselves of the opportunity to respond to
> Mr. Gelber in whatever way
> they see fit. .. "Bob Gelber, an automotive
> journalist living in the
> Hamptons, appears regularly on television as an
> automotive expert. You can
> email him at bobgelber@xxxxxxx "
>
> As far as his statement that the '55 C-300 is the
> only one of the series
> with real value... hogwash !
>
> John Hertog
> Sag Harbor NY
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 16:15:21 -0400
From: <fabe7445@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Re: opinion re: Chrysler 300
If Dan had done his homework, he would have found the
B was voted the best looking two door hard top by Motor
Trend in '56
Jim Faber
>
> From: moparted <moparted_70@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: 2003/09/29 Mon PM 03:58:07 EDT
> To: Chrysler 300 Club Listverver <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] opinion re: Chrysler 300
>
> my head hurts.
>
> --- Ron Waters <ronbo97@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > ...yet another self-appointed 'expert'.
> >
> > 'Dan's Papers' ??? Is that one of those freebee
> > things loaded with ads from
> > local car dealerships ?!? LOL !
> >
> > Ron
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Hertog" <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "Chrysler 300 Club Listverver"
> > <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2003 11:35 PM
> > Subject: [Chrysler300] opinion re: Chrysler 300
> >
> >
> > Listmembers !
> >
> > The following paragraph was published in "Dan's
> > Papers" September 26,2003 -
> > a Long Island to New York City publication with
> > large circulation ; "Classic
> > Cars" section written by Bob Gelber - the whole
> > thing can be read at :
> > http://www.danspapers.com/paper/cars.html
> >
> > "The original Chrysler 300, probably one of the most
> > beautiful automobiles
> > of 1955, got uglier every year as Chrysler
> > introduced a wider, lower and
> > longer model. Car collectors aren't stupid so the
> > '55 Chrysler 300 is the
> > only one of that series with big value."
> >
> > I am sure list members owners of 1956 and up
> > Chrysler 300's will want to
> > avail themselves of the opportunity to respond to
> > Mr. Gelber in whatever way
> > they see fit. .. "Bob Gelber, an automotive
> > journalist living in the
> > Hamptons, appears regularly on television as an
> > automotive expert. You can
> > email him at bobgelber@xxxxxxx "
> >
> > As far as his statement that the '55 C-300 is the
> > only one of the series
> > with real value... hogwash !
> >
> > John Hertog
> > Sag Harbor NY
> >
> >
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:21:20 EDT
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
Subject: my 300k
i got my K back from the body shop. i will post pictures soon enough. i
HIGHLY recommend Anchor Auto Body, anchorauto.com for work. he is in sunnyvale,
ca.
car is beautiful again. now i have the engine in the machine shop ( i know
its backwards, but i wasnt going to do the engine but she got sick, so here i
am ) and i wanna know, please, i have edelbrock heads, and the cross rams.
should i paint the heads, or leave them bare and paint the manifolds, valve
covers, and block turquiose. and what about the valley pan, was that painted? i
know the heads were, but aluminum is so cool looking. well, if wanterd, iu
will psot pictures, but someone has to want to seee then first. thank you,
tim
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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 18:23:36 EDT
From: greektruck@xxxxxxx
Subject: my 300k at shop pictures
anchorauto.com
goto car check. my number is 8803
you will see my car before its finished
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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 20:05:55 -0000
From: "The Cann's" <cann@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300 neon clock question
Hi,
I agree about changing out the whole disc with a photo of your choice. I was originally thinking that just the year was wrong for the car, but if you look close the 'unit body construction' ad is from American Motors. I wonder how the manufacturer of the clock got the detail messed up so bad.
Regard,
George
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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 21:58:11 -0400
From: "Rick Ehrmann" <tc440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Chrysler 300 lettercars
What an ignoramous you are, Bob Gelber! As anyone who knows anything about lettercars knows, the highest prices are paid for the 1957 "C" through the 1961 "G." The C300 of 1955 is indeed a beautiful brute, but the "C", as the purest form of Virgil Exner's Forward Look, and the "F", as the wildest, are widely regarded as the ultimate 300's.
Rick Ehrmann
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Message: 13
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2003 02:48:42 -0000
From: "lorenmorgan" <lorenmorgan@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: (unknown)
hey there 300 people
i've been looking at all the comments about the new 300C
i am the owner of a 300C convert and had the luck to see
the new 300c at the new york auto show this past spring.
i can understand the dismay of some regarding this car but
it seems the trend for the last several years has been for
"sports touring sedans" and the new 300 seems to fit the bill
in that respect.but as nice as it is it ain't no real 300.
but at least it has a hemi and a real good looking sedan.
i hope it his the streets the way i saw it at the show.
ALSO---what about camming a mini van a town & country????
lorenmorgan@xxxxxxxxx
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Message: 14
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 19:30:59 -0700
From: "Roger Schaaf" <obiwan10@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Chrysler 300 lettercars
You could be correct if you are satisfied with a Johnny Come Lately but if
you wish the original muscle car then you must turn to the 55 and 56 C 300
and 300 B and of course they were certainly the most elegant and beautiful
appearing automobile that the fifty's turned out.
Oh yes did anyone mention that the 300 B turned faster top speeds then the
57 and 58 at Daytona and the 55 and 56's set Grand National Records for wins
that Chrysler never again(or most other auto manufactures)ever achieved or
duplicated?
If you do not understand all of this then I would advise you to cease
sucking on your exhaust pipes while the motor is running and your fingers
are on your computer keyboard.
Thank you in advance for any comments, complaints or concerns.
Roger
300 B Calif.
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From: "Rick Ehrmann" <tc440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bobgelber@xxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Chrysler 300 lettercars
What an ignoramous you are, Bob Gelber! As anyone who knows anything about
lettercars knows, the highest prices are paid for the 1957 "C" through the
1961 "G." The C300 of 1955 is indeed a beautiful brute, but the "C", as the
purest form of Virgil Exner's Forward Look, and the "F", as the wildest, are
widely regarded as the ultimate 300's.
Rick Ehrmann
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Message: 15
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 23:08:41 -0400
From: "Kenneth R. Smitley" <Kens_Cars@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Chrysler 300 lettercars
OPINIONS ARE LIKE ???---????? Thank you for yours Roger!!! I happen to agree!!! Ken.
----- Original Message -----
From: Roger Schaaf
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 10:57 PM
To: bobgelber@xxxxxxx; Rick Ehrmann
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler 300 lettercars
You could be correct if you are satisfied with a Johnny Come Lately but if
you wish the original muscle car then you must turn to the 55 and 56 C 300
and 300 B and of course they were certainly the most elegant and beautiful
appearing automobile that the fifty's turned out.
Oh yes did anyone mention that the 300 B turned faster top speeds then the
57 and 58 at Daytona and the 55 and 56's set Grand National Records for wins
that Chrysler never again(or most other auto manufactures)ever achieved or
duplicated?
If you do not understand all of this then I would advise you to cease
sucking on your exhaust pipes while the motor is running and your fingers
are on your computer keyboard.
Thank you in advance for any comments, complaints or concerns.
Roger
300 B Calif.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rick Ehrmann" <tc440@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <bobgelber@xxxxxxx>
Cc: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] Chrysler 300 lettercars
What an ignoramous you are, Bob Gelber! As anyone who knows anything about
lettercars knows, the highest prices are paid for the 1957 "C" through the
1961 "G." The C300 of 1955 is indeed a beautiful brute, but the "C", as the
purest form of Virgil Exner's Forward Look, and the "F", as the wildest, are
widely regarded as the ultimate 300's.
Rick Ehrmann
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Message: 16
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2003 22:10:31 -0700
From: Gary Nelson <garythepartsdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: e-Bay 300 parts
Dave
That's what we call free enterprise. Get what the market will bear. In some
cases that is good. You only buy what you need. They do not make these
parts anymore. If you need it you pay or do without. 5, 10, 20, years from
now these prices will look like giveaway. One thing, you do not have to bid
on them.
My 2 cents, Gary
Folks,
Recently, I've noticed an insidious little trend creeping in to
sales of some 300 used parts on e-Bay.
If any of you regularly check for 300 bits and pieces as I do, how about this?
Got an F or G console? Well, don't sell it intact.....oh no....break it
down to 6 separate parts, including the hinge for the lid ! and the 2 ashtrays.
Wheelcovers similar. Sell off the stainless in one auction, and separately,
the centre.
Or a grille. Take it apart and sell the individual pieces. You make
more! Apparently.
I don't think it's a good thing, greed seems to be taking over, more and more.
It makes owning a 300 letter car that needs parts almost an out of sight
ambition for new entrants in today's market.
My 2c worth......
Dave.
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