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There are 12 messages in this issue.
Topics in this digest:
1. This Be Interesting Or Right ??
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
2. Ron Wiseman
From: "Antonello Jelitro" <mopar@xxxxxx>
3. Chrysler Factory Tachs
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
4. Mopar junk yard
From: "elmer tuuri" <eltuuri@xxxxxxxxxxx>
5. 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
6. 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
7. 61 300
From: ricdis1@xxxxxxx
8. RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
9. RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
10. Fw: Re: Fw: Web car buyers getting hoodwinked.htm
From: quadshop@xxxxxxxx
11. RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
From: Russ Vaughan <Pacesetter300@xxxxxxxxx>
12. 300G Convert Clone on EBAY
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:41:25 -0600
From: "Wayne Graefen" <wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: This Be Interesting Or Right ??
If we think back to how many 392s that came in New Yorkers and Imperials with single quads that then were pulled out of early wrecks and put into street machines and drag cars, I'm sure that Chrysler was getting enough parts department call for dual quad manifolds to make one last run of them to supply that need. This is the latestest date code I am aware of for the part.
Wayne
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 22:20:39 -0500
From: paul holmgren <paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: This Be Interesting Or Right ??
Claims it is a 57-58 2x4 intake manifold with a 1963 date code
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34198&item=2447043162
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Paul Holmgren
Hoosier Corps #33, L-6
2 57 300-C's in Indy
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 16:50:05 +0100
From: "Antonello Jelitro" <mopar@xxxxxx>
Subject: Ron Wiseman
----- Original Message -----
From: Antonello Jelitro
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 8:50 AM
Subject: Ron Wiseman
Hello group
greetings from Italy
Just discovered about death of Ron Wiseman. He was a very good friend, he was not only the guy that helped me restored my cars, he was a very good man, helpful and always nice . I am very sad this morning, he didn't deserve this fate. He was still young, had a lovely wife and a young son, and many animals, and they all will miss him. He dealt his businness the old way, a handshake was everything needed to close a deal.
Antonello Jelitro
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:47:03 EST
From: Redwoodlse@xxxxxxx
Subject: Chrysler Factory Tachs
Bought a console from a 67 Dodge for use in the '66 300M Club Sport. The
factory tach has three wires plus the light wire. Do these connect to some sort
of tach sending unit that I don't have or just to hot, ground, and coil.
Probably the 65L fourspeed tach is the same as this Dodge. How is the message
received on these factory tachs?
Larry W Jett
950 Woodside Road Suite 4
Redwood City CA 94061
650 368 3966
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:30:36 +0000
From: "elmer tuuri" <eltuuri@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Mopar junk yard
Visit ---moparts@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx only junk
yard-------Owner-Nigel Mills
Beaverton,Ontario, Canada.--reputable dealer- I have used him a few times
Elmer Tuuri, Lively, Ont-------eltuuri@xxxxxxxxxx
Merry Xmas!!!!!!
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:14:58 EST
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx
Subject: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Group:
In what must be considered as the Chutzpah marketing of the year, the
seller of the red 300-G on E-Bay (Sale number 2448092072) states in the middle
of his extensively long description of the car:
I HAVE CONTACTED THE CHRYSLER 300 CLUB TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF
THIS VEHICLE AND HAVE FOUND THAT THIS CAR STARTED OUT LIFE AS A TRUE 1961
CHRYLSER 300G HARDTOP WITH THE MARDIGRAS RED PAINT. IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED THAT
BASED OFF OF THE BUILD DATE ON THE MOTOR 12-6 AND A BUILD DATE OFF OF THE PLACARD
ON THE CAR 12-22 THAT THE MOTOR IS ORGINAL. THIS 300G HAS BEEN RESTORED TO A
FABULOUS CONVERTIBLE AND IS OF THE BEST QUALITY THAT HAS BEEN SEEN.
Now I don't know about you all, but to me one does not "Restore" a hardtop to
convertible status. I guess you have to give him credit for letting the
potential buyers know but, then again, he also makes the following statement:
THIS 300G WAS BOUGHT BACK IN 1990 BY A LONG TIME LAS VEGAS
HOTEL/CASINO OWNER AND WENT FOR OVER $90,000 AT THE KRUSE INTERNATIONAL AUCTION.
Somehow I doubt that. His "Buy it Now" price is $59, 998.00. Anybody
interested???????
Pete Fitch
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:21:56 -0500
From: John Hertog <crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Pete and all,
The 300G you refer to indeed did start life out as a 300G hardtop; the only
mis-statement is that the "G" hardtop that was used to create this
convertible was originally RR-1 (Cinammon) and not PP-1 as they state.
And, the car is certainly another Glassel fabrication. What is not stated
on the auction site is that the car has the VIN tag of yet another car (in
this case, a black 300G convertible) and that the VIN tag does not match the
date tag, nor the body of the car.
The dealership is very aware that they own a "clone", and they do not want
to get sued - therefore they did state, in their ad, the fact that the car
was originally a hardtop. Even if they buried that little tidbit of info in
the middle of a very lengthy description of the car !
I did drive this car, in Las Vegas, a couple of years ago; it is a very nice
automobile, runs and drives very well, and is certainly cosmetically pretty.
It does indeed have its original engine. Unfortunately, it is a hardtop,
made into a convertible.
It has also been placed on ebay at auction repeatedly by the current seller,
Norm Baker Motors. I have lost track, this has to be the fourth time at
least ! Perhaps people are not that stupid ?
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
----- Original Message -----
From: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Group:
In what must be considered as the Chutzpah marketing of the year, the
seller of the red 300-G on E-Bay (Sale number 2448092072) states in the
middle
of his extensively long description of the car:
I HAVE CONTACTED THE CHRYSLER 300 CLUB TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF
THIS VEHICLE AND HAVE FOUND THAT THIS CAR STARTED OUT LIFE AS A TRUE 1961
CHRYLSER 300G HARDTOP WITH THE MARDIGRAS RED PAINT. IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED
THAT
BASED OFF OF THE BUILD DATE ON THE MOTOR 12-6 AND A BUILD DATE OFF OF THE
PLACARD
ON THE CAR 12-22 THAT THE MOTOR IS ORGINAL. THIS 300G HAS BEEN RESTORED TO A
FABULOUS CONVERTIBLE AND IS OF THE BEST QUALITY THAT HAS BEEN SEEN.
Now I don't know about you all, but to me one does not "Restore" a hardtop
to
convertible status. I guess you have to give him credit for letting the
potential buyers know but, then again, he also makes the following
statement:
THIS 300G WAS BOUGHT BACK IN 1990 BY A LONG TIME LAS VEGAS
HOTEL/CASINO OWNER AND WENT FOR OVER $90,000 AT THE KRUSE INTERNATIONAL
AUCTION.
Somehow I doubt that. His "Buy it Now" price is $59, 998.00. Anybody
interested???????
Pete Fitch
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 19:50:08 EST
From: ricdis1@xxxxxxx
Subject: 61 300
Does anyone out there know anything about 61 300 on ebay ?
looks really nice.
Rick RicDis1@xxxxxxx
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:31:33 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Oh my.
-----Original Message-----
From: moparpjf@xxxxxxx [mailto:moparpjf@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:15 PM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Group:
In what must be considered as the Chutzpah marketing of the year, the
seller of the red 300-G on E-Bay (Sale number 2448092072) states in the
middle
of his extensively long description of the car:
I HAVE CONTACTED THE CHRYSLER 300 CLUB TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF
THIS VEHICLE AND HAVE FOUND THAT THIS CAR STARTED OUT LIFE AS A TRUE 1961
CHRYLSER 300G HARDTOP WITH THE MARDIGRAS RED PAINT. IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED
THAT
BASED OFF OF THE BUILD DATE ON THE MOTOR 12-6 AND A BUILD DATE OFF OF THE
PLACARD
ON THE CAR 12-22 THAT THE MOTOR IS ORGINAL. THIS 300G HAS BEEN RESTORED TO A
FABULOUS CONVERTIBLE AND IS OF THE BEST QUALITY THAT HAS BEEN SEEN.
Now I don't know about you all, but to me one does not "Restore" a hardtop
to
convertible status. I guess you have to give him credit for letting the
potential buyers know but, then again, he also makes the following
statement:
THIS 300G WAS BOUGHT BACK IN 1990 BY A LONG TIME LAS VEGAS
HOTEL/CASINO OWNER AND WENT FOR OVER $90,000 AT THE KRUSE INTERNATIONAL
AUCTION.
Somehow I doubt that. His "Buy it Now" price is $59, 998.00. Anybody
interested???????
Pete Fitch
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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 15:39:39 -0800
From: "jennifer allyn" <gearhead.girl@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
I have found that there are a lot of people with a lot of money...that buy
things like this. Thank goodness I don't have that much money...my stupid
purchases are much smaller.
-----Original Message-----
From: John Hertog [mailto:crossram@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 3:22 PM
To: moparpjf@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Pete and all,
The 300G you refer to indeed did start life out as a 300G hardtop; the only
mis-statement is that the "G" hardtop that was used to create this
convertible was originally RR-1 (Cinammon) and not PP-1 as they state.
And, the car is certainly another Glassel fabrication. What is not stated
on the auction site is that the car has the VIN tag of yet another car (in
this case, a black 300G convertible) and that the VIN tag does not match the
date tag, nor the body of the car.
The dealership is very aware that they own a "clone", and they do not want
to get sued - therefore they did state, in their ad, the fact that the car
was originally a hardtop. Even if they buried that little tidbit of info in
the middle of a very lengthy description of the car !
I did drive this car, in Las Vegas, a couple of years ago; it is a very nice
automobile, runs and drives very well, and is certainly cosmetically pretty.
It does indeed have its original engine. Unfortunately, it is a hardtop,
made into a convertible.
It has also been placed on ebay at auction repeatedly by the current seller,
Norm Baker Motors. I have lost track, this has to be the fourth time at
least ! Perhaps people are not that stupid ?
John Hertog
Sag Harbor NY
----- Original Message -----
From: <moparpjf@xxxxxxx>
To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 6:14 PM
Subject: [Chrysler300] 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
Hi Group:
In what must be considered as the Chutzpah marketing of the year, the
seller of the red 300-G on E-Bay (Sale number 2448092072) states in the
middle
of his extensively long description of the car:
I HAVE CONTACTED THE CHRYSLER 300 CLUB TO DETERMINE THE VALIDITY OF
THIS VEHICLE AND HAVE FOUND THAT THIS CAR STARTED OUT LIFE AS A TRUE 1961
CHRYLSER 300G HARDTOP WITH THE MARDIGRAS RED PAINT. IT WAS ALSO DETERMINED
THAT
BASED OFF OF THE BUILD DATE ON THE MOTOR 12-6 AND A BUILD DATE OFF OF THE
PLACARD
ON THE CAR 12-22 THAT THE MOTOR IS ORGINAL. THIS 300G HAS BEEN RESTORED TO A
FABULOUS CONVERTIBLE AND IS OF THE BEST QUALITY THAT HAS BEEN SEEN.
Now I don't know about you all, but to me one does not "Restore" a hardtop
to
convertible status. I guess you have to give him credit for letting the
potential buyers know but, then again, he also makes the following
statement:
THIS 300G WAS BOUGHT BACK IN 1990 BY A LONG TIME LAS VEGAS
HOTEL/CASINO OWNER AND WENT FOR OVER $90,000 AT THE KRUSE INTERNATIONAL
AUCTION.
Somehow I doubt that. His "Buy it Now" price is $59, 998.00. Anybody
interested???????
Pete Fitch
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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:08:36 -0600
From: quadshop@xxxxxxxx
Subject: Fw: Re: Fw: Web car buyers getting hoodwinked.htm
That 300-G on Ebay re mined me of this note. Very worth reading.
I bought a 62 300 Sport in August on Ebay "...that has no rust but on
the undercarriage.." Ebay does not stand behind ANY of the buyers.
Three emails to them and O help. My motto now is "If you can not see it
or touch it ......FORGET IT" After I bought the car i joined the club.
Should have done it in reverse. Now I have a 62 300 Sport, white/black
for sale. 97K miles
Jim McGowan
95 "WAGON SS"
92 "WAGON SS, jr."
Herd # 582
62 Chrysler 300 Sport
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From: quadshopiv@xxxxxxxx
To: quadshop@xxxxxxxx
Date: Sat, 6 Dec 2003 00:25:41 -0600
Subject: Re: Fw: Web car buyers getting hoodwinked.htm
Message-ID: <20031206.002541.-694129.0.quadshopIV@xxxxxxxx>
Gary,
Sure sheds a BAD light on Ebay motors and the way they do business.
They continue the scam. JIM
On Fri, 5 Dec 2003 01:40:37 -0600 quadshop@xxxxxxxx writes:
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> From: Gary Vosberg <gvosberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "Jim McGowan (E-mail)" <quadshop@xxxxxxxx>
> Date: Thu, 4 Dec 2003 08:58:58 -0600
> Subject: Web car buyers getting hoodwinked.htm
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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 20:33:01 -0800 (PST)
From: Russ Vaughan <Pacesetter300@xxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: 300-G on E-Bay (Marketing at its Best)
I'm not positive about this, but I think there is a federal law against selling vehicles with tampered VINs. The Feds seem to look at this the same as passing around counterfit money.. I AM sure there is a law against changing them. Even if there is a disclaimer, such as the eBay seller is giving, I don't think it's legal. This guy is taking a real chance in my opinion. Anyone with the cash to buy this car at his price probably has the money to hire a good attorney.
As for buying cars on eBay, I have has two bad experiences and one good one. The total amount involved couldn't have bought an original letter car when new in '55, so no huge deal like this "G". A '74 T&C wagon was the worst, gotta be a "coast thing"! "No rust California car", that originally came from North Carolina and spent three years in CA. "needs a U-joint" on the West coast means "needs a transmission" on the East coast. " Two fair tires" on the West Coast means "serious blowout so the car goes down I-95 sideways five miles after you get in it" on the East coast. The other problems were many. They weren't mentioned and they didn't show up in pictures. MY "deal" was a '64 Newport that I bought for parts for $150. Best part it was only in Manchester, Connecticut. It was too nice for parts and not much I could use on it anyway. $200 worth of brakes and minor stuff and I've got a nice 300 (sport) powered sleeper.
I guess my point is unless you find a car for cheap and leave yourself plenty of room for unexpected expenses, I would shy away from eBay as a source of vehicles.
Russ Vaughan
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Message: 12
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 18:41:04 -0800
From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: 300G Convert Clone on EBAY
Pete, John and list,
The description of the car is certainly amusing. I like the "Crossfire" engine. Me thinks the seller is playing off the new Crossfire by Chrysler. Caveat Emptor!! Buyer beware!
How about a little background on this Glassel person and the process used to convert the car. I would think that the hardtop body is different from convert body as the strength the roof provides is gone once it is cut off. Do they add reinforcements to the body somehow?
Bob J
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