Thomas...... J's all had short rams as standard...... and K's that were optioned with rams had the short rams. I think the confusion arises as not all K's had the ram option. Standard engine for a K was the 413 Firepower 360 with a single 4 bbl carb( Carter 3614S) The Firepower 390 was the optional ram engine, with short rams and 2 x Carter 3505S carbs, same as the J of '63. The 'short' of course refers to the difference in internal passage length, not the external measurement. Dave. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas L. DeBusk" <cfdebusk@xxxx> To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, August 29, 2003 10:36 AM Subject: [Chrysler300] Ram part # is... John wrote: "With regards to rams, Tom, best thing is to check out the following link: http://www.chrysler300club.com/uniq/allaboutrams/allaboutrams.html This article, by Bob Merritt, will explain it all to you. By the way , based on your previous e-mail, you have a bare pair of 1960 (long) rams John Hertog Sag Harbor NY" John wasn't the only person to refer me to this page, which I've already seen. And it's part of the source of my confusion. It says: "Short Rams were standard on the 300J and were used on the optional engines for the 300F, 300G, 300H, and 300K. Short Rams were designed for peak torque at 3600RPM" But the consensus I'm getting is that short rams weren't used on the J's & K's. Hence my confusion. Is it time to correct/update that page? Or is it really correct to the effect that some later ('63/'64) cars did come with the earlier ('60/'61) rams? And what of '63? Thomas To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/