Hey, Pat... and all I think this is a situation that cannot be resolved on the listserver, and is best left alone, before it degenerates into a stupid argument...There is really nothing to say, in what amounts to private disagreements between parties. An e-mail was already sent detailing what any member can do if he or she wishes to involve the Club, and complain officially about the actions of another member. This is covered in the Club's constitution. Any further discussions on the listserver would be inappropriate, and a waste of everybody's time. Let's all go back to what we do best - the preservation, restoration and enjoyment of our Brutes ! Sincerely John Hertog Sag Harbor NY