[Chrysler300] Re: [FWDLK] Ebay

[JAMES PRISTELSKI <ajp0002@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Ray,
   
  If the emails from ebay and paypal are legitimate, they now have your name on them (e.g., Dear Ray Jones) in addition to your user name.  If your name is not on the email, it is a scammer.   However, I suspect that the scammers will soon update their emails to be the current correct style.  Regards, Jim

Ray Jones <hurst300@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Ron;
Do not believe that it's hard to do. It has been done alot. One way is 
to send an email to a seller stating that his account is being messed 
with, "please log in" and verify some bogus sale. Seller follows the 
links provided and gets taken to a scammer and logs in. Password is now 
in the scammers hands. I've gotten 6-7 of these scams in the last 2 
weeks, which I forward to spoof@ebay. Last week, I was emailed back 
from ebay and was told that one email from them was legit. 1 out of 
(seems like) a hundred in the last year or so.

If any of you get a email from ebay or PayPal, don't respond, never 
follow the link. Open a new browser-page and type in eBay or PayPal and 
once logged in, look at your "Messages" link to see if they really did 
email you.

Also note, that eBay will always have your name on the email if it's 
from them. but just to be safe, do the above.

And yes, feedback is very important. I have a 100% positive from 247 
different members, and most are very exuberant since I go to great 
lengths to pack well and ship fast. i am very proud of the feedback, 
and give as good as I get. There would have been more than 500 
Positive, but when we moved and had to change ISP's, I somehow lost my 
old account and was started over again.

I'll take a check or MO if their feedback is great and there's 25 or 
more, but I also hold up shipping for a few days to let checks clear.

regards, Ray


On Mar 9, 2006, at 5:04 PM, Ron Waters wrote:

> Ray -
>
> It's quite difficult to 'lift the ID of a legit seller'. He would have 
> to
> have the seller's password, right ? If the seller takes the necessary
> precautions, such as not using a public internet connection when 
> listing
> items, he should not have any problems. Stealing pics from a legit 
> auction
> or other source is another matter. Anyone that sees a Chrysler 300F 
> convert
> as a BuyItNow for $6K should be suspicious, right ? But scammers have
> always been around. Hemmings has had its share of those long before the
> internet was in everyone's home. Caveat Emptor.
>
> As a seller, my feedback rating on ebay works in my favor. I ask for 
> check
> or money order. Ebay sends out an email at the end of the auction with 
> the
> seller's address, so the check will go to the correct address. As a 
> buyer,
> if something smells fishy, I'll pass.
>
> This may be getting a little bit off FL discussion. Sorry about that.
>
> Ron
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ray Jones" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 4:42 PM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>
>
> Hi Ron;
> You were on the receiving end of the deal. YOU got the money. For the
> buyer it is risky, he didn't know if your were legit or not. He
> trusted you. That's what the big deal is, when YOU are buying
> something.
> What often happens here is that a scammer lifts the ID of a legit
> seller (maybe you) and runs an auction of his own (you have no idea
> that this is happening). He lists something he copied off another ebay
> item. In the description he requires WU for payment, and with a phony
> ID, picks up the cash and is gone in the night. This happens often with
> WU, to the point that eBay tells you not to use it. Not because they
> want you to use PayPal, but because so many have been screwed. The
> buyer then contacts you and wants his stuff and you have no idea what
> he's talking about. Some of that is what you've been seeing with all
> these recent emails about the phony cars on eBay.
>
> As far as the money to PayPal goes, you are using a service and should
> pay for it. It's the cost of doing business, and after all YOU have
> invested nothing in your "store", so the fees are your "Rent", for
> eBay's tent. When you go to a flea market, you have to rent the table,
> no difference here.
>
> Also, I believe you can still go to WalMart and send large amounts of
> cash to someone elsewhere, they just go into their store and ID
> themselves and pick it up. It was very cheap the last time I did it.
>
> regards, Ray
>
>
>
> On Mar 9, 2006, at 10:49 AM, Ron Waters wrote:
>
>> I recently sold a brake booster to a guy in Sweden and he used an old
>> fashioned method of sending me the money--he wired it via Western
>> Union. This very old payment method is almost never mentioned, yet is
>> a viable way of completing a transaction. It was easy to collect, as
>> the Western Union office is in a local grocery store. You get paid in
>> cash, so no concerns about checks drawn against the First Bank of
>> Kenya.
>>
>> Sorry, but with eBay's fees on the rise, I don't need to turn over an
>> additional 4.2% to paypal. Don't understand what the big deal
>> is in writing a check or obtaining a money order, or even using WU.
>>
>> Ron
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: debenson2
>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>> hello, Jim that has also been a big frustration for me too....payPal
>> is the ONLY way to go!
>>
>> As you state more and more sellers refuse to take payPal (they use it
>> for their buys) but seem too cheap to take it for their listings.
>>
>> I believe they are really missing the boat!
>>
>> They claim high cost, but in fact that stand may by costing them
>> money.....I do not bid if I am unable to use payPal!
>>
>> (I even take it and have used it to buy and sell big ticket cars...)
>>
>> In this world of scams "N" scum, bidders need the safety that payPal
>> affords.
>> If you find payPal costly then account for it in your pricing it is a
>> cost of doing business, just like taking visa....
>> postscript; bidpay was slow!!
>> debenson2
>> Road2Recovery
>> Box 43873
>> Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jim Hoekendijk
>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 1:13 AM
>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>>
>> Yes, it is BidPay that recently went out of business, without any
>> warning to their customers.
>>
>> Quite troublesome for me as a foreigner who?s only option besides
>> PayPal was BidPay.
>>
>> And since more and more sellers are no longer accepting PayPal I have
>> to let go of some nice stuff I see on eBay so every now and then. I
>> hate that?
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Hoekendijk
>>
>> The Netherlands.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Van: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
>> [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] Namens debenson2
>> Verzonden: donderdag 9 maart 2006 2:19
>> Aan: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Onderwerp: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>>
>>
>> I believe it was bid pay that was owned by WU.
>>
>> debenson2
>> Road2Recovery
>> Box 43873
>> Brooklyn Park, Minnesota 55443 USA
>> 763/438/6671
>> 612/319/5619 pager & voice mail
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Bryan Scott
>>
>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:03 PM
>>
>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>>
>>
>> I heard the story on the news last week, but apparently it's just
>> certain
>> aspects of their operation? The news story didn't depict it that
>> way....
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Dave Stragand" 
>> To: "Bryan Scott" 
>> Cc: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:59 PM
>> Subject: RE: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>>
>> Are you sure? There is no mention of it on their website, and the
>> office in my building is still open.
>>
>> -Dave
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Forward Look Mopar Discussion List
>> [mailto:L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Bryan Scott
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 7:31 PM
>> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>> Western Union recently went out of business and is no more.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Jones" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:27 PM
>> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] Ebay
>>
>>
>>> We need to beat this dead horse....DO NOT PAY FOR ANYTHING ON WESTERN
>>> UNION!!
>>> It is the payment choice of scammers. Use them to send money to your
>>> Mom or a friend, NEVER to pay for something unless you know the
>> person
>>
>>> your paying.
>>> That's one of the safety tips on all the ebay sites/warnings.
>>> Regards, Ray
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mar 8, 2006, at 7:26 AM, Mike Singer / Emporium Secondaries, Inc.
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I do not want to beat a dead horse but; My brother was bidding on a
>>>> panel
>>>> van and lost. He received an email Second chance. Drove 35 miles to
>>>> Western
>>>> Union to send out the payment. Western Union called him later and
>> told
>>>> him
>>>> that it was a fraud. He was able to stop payment.
>>>>
>>>> Please be very careful when bidding.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Singer, 57 Fireflite, 76 Warlock, 94 V-10 & 04 Hemi 2500 4wd
>>>> pickus,
>>>> 05 Magnum RT
>>>> Mike Singer
>>>>
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