RE: [Chrysler300] Re:Chrysler 300s & California Black plates

["Dan Elliott" <us@xxxxxxxxxx>]

The best protection against "black plate" fraud is to have all of the
registrations from each year that
go with the black plates.  I have such documentation with my black plate
cars.  Yes, it too could be
forged, but would be a much bigger job.

Dan E.


  -----Original Message-----
  From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On
Behalf Of Dan Watts
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 10:28 AM
  To: 'Bob Jasinski'; 'Intl 300'
  Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re:Chrysler 300s & California Black plates


  More on Black Plates...

  I remember when California went to the black plates and everyone got new
  plates to put on their cars. As I recall, the State switched the
  number/letter pattern ie;

  123 SAM to SAM 123. I wish I had kept the old yellow plates because we can
  use now use them.

  A word of Black Plate caution. California is a two plate state (no I'm not
  a poet) and probably will remain so because they're putting traffic
cameras
  at busy intersections (Another topic?). So if you're going to "invest" in
  black plates, make sure that you get both of them because you can't
register
  your car in California without both, ..and don't park your "one plate" of
  any color California car at LAX because you'll get a ticket.

  I am restoring an "F" that was in a warehouse since the late '70's. I have
  both black plates and matching title that is inactive for registration
  purposes. I have been cautioned that at some time (unconfirmed),
California
  used the black plate numbering sequence on motorcycles or ? and although I
  have register-matching inactive plates, they won't be usable, if some else
  now has numbers.

  Regarding Wayne's DMV comments, I don't have to flip a coin to determine
if
  I' m going to the DMV or the dentist. I drive an extra 10 miles, when the
  auto club can't help me, to the "friendly" DMV. It seems that the DMV
  offices have personalities that match the supervision.

  Danny W

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  From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
  Behalf Of Bob Jasinski
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 8:20 AM
  To: 'Intl 300'
  Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re:Chrysler 300s & California Black plates

  Wayne and all,

  I agree with with what you posted on California black plate cars up to a
  point. My experience, having lived in California since 1978, and looking
at
  many old cars, is that the plates are most likely original. I'm not
talking
  about show cars or restored cars, but the average old car, built between
  1963 and 1970 that comes up for sale. Cars that are mostly original,
  needing work or full restoration, with black plates, probably have had
them
  on since they were first registered, especially if the plate is in the
same
  condition as the car.

  Now keep in mind that typically a car as described will have additional
  documentation, such as outdated registration papers in the glove box,
  insurance cards, and or receipts from service done in California. In other
  words, in doing due diligence when purchasing a car of this type, the
black
  plate car is a good start, but you have to take it further to determine if
  the car had the plates on it since new, and therefore indicates a true
  California car. Also, the actual condition of the plate will tell a story
  on it's own. A perfect black plate on a rough, rusty, eastern car will be
a
  dead give away.

  Bob J

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  From: Chrysler300@ <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com> yahoogroups.com
  [mailto:Chrysler300@ <mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>
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  On
  Behalf Of Wayne Graefen
  Sent: Friday, November 09, 2007 7:01 AM
  To: Intl 300; jpmiklas@choiceonem <mailto:jpmiklas%40choiceonemail.com>
  ail.com
  Subject: [Chrysler300] Re:Chrysler 300s & California Black plates

  I have a tidbit to add to the CA "black plate" mystique. I lived out there
  something like 25 years. Californians would love to continue the idea that
  "if it has black CA plates on it, then it was ALWAYS a California car".
That
  is baloney. The CA Dept. of Motor Vehicles continually changes and tweaks
  their laws as if every resident of that state was an absolute criminal
  trying to take advantage. Walk into any DMV and try to offer an honest,
  legitimate explanation of your registration needs or problem and it is
like
  fresh meat to a pack of piranhas. Oh, there is the extremely rare employee
  who is not like that, but the system most certainly treated me that way.
  They have so many laws on the books covering so many circumstances that
  there are at least three ways to get the simplest of things done but the
  person on the other side of the counter may not know the law you are
  referencing.
  But I've digressed from the black plate issue. There have been periods of
  time as laws came and went during which it was either legal to put loose
  black plates onto a car that never had them or there were loop holes they
  had not closed that allowed it to happen. So the continuous CA
registration
  is a myth. I personally got old black CA plates that had been on my shelf
  for 20 years or so put onto a car with much more recent but expired CA
  plates. I took in another black pair and had them put on a car from
Arizona.
  And a DeSoto that had its original black plates in the box in the trunk
but
  the car had resided in Arkansas for over 30 years was re-registered on
those
  old CA black plates.
  All this to say nothing of collector car dealers both in and out of
  California who can get another couple of thousand dollars for a "Calif.
  black plate car" just by hanging a swap meet pair of plates onto their
  inventory.
  Are all those old plates valuable? You betcha. Whether they are CA plates
or
  your home state. I'm in Texas now and at a summer swap meet saw a pair of
  1940 Texas plates in just restorable condition with a $1000 price tag.
  Fortunately I had purchased a pair for my Ford a couple years earlier for
  $85.

  Wayne

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