Re: [Chrysler300] Re: Beilby & Graefen

["George Riehl" <longrams@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thank you, Bill for your comment. I definitely agree and rules and regulations WILL be discussed with the Officers and the Board to establish rules and regulation concerning this matter.
  George Riehl


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Bill Huff 
  To: Auction ; 'Intl 300' 
  Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 11:26 AM
  Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Re: Beilby & Graefen


  OK, now I AM confused. I wasn't particularly upset by the exchanges 
  between our two recent combatants, if I don't feel like reading a 
  post, that is what the delete key is for. The only drawback to that 
  scheme is when an inaccurate title is used.

  However, the posts seemed to me to be clearly in violation of the 
  prohibition against argumentative posts. So, why was it allowed to 
  go on for so long? Some folks really expressed dismay at the ongoing 
  arguing. Seems to me that if we are going to quote the message board 
  rules, then we need to conduct the message board by those rules.

  Bill Huff

  At 3/18/200909:25 AM, Auction wrote:

  >"To all listserver members:
  >
  >The Chrysler 300 Club International's listserver is governed by an existing
  >set of simple rules. These rules are clearly posted at:
  ><http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/rules.htm>http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/rules.htm 
  >; PLEASE - take the time
  >to read this very short Web page !
  >
  >The ECC welcomes any direct feedback from members, and monitors the
  >listserver year-long. The current policy was set according to members
  >wishes, and for the best interest of the Club. There are currently 443
  >listserver members all over the world. A very diverse group - 443
  >individuals with different opinions of what the listserver should and should
  >not be. These opinions were all taken into account when the rules and
  >parameters were adopted. Much work went into this. Now - the rules stand as
  >clearly written.
  >
  ><http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/rules.htm>http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/rules.htm 
  >. It should take no more
  >than one minute to read.
  >
  >
  >Please do NOT post replies to the listserver."
  >
  >Wise words from a wise man the sadly we all lost a little while ago..He sent
  >this email to me when I first joined. I highlighted and underlined a
  >sentence that stuck with me and JH and I talked about on several occasions.
  >
  >From: 
  ><mailto:Chrysler300%40yahoogroups.com>Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  >[mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
  >Behalf Of Michael Reed
  >Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 7:34 AM
  >To: Intl 300
  >Subject: [Chrysler300] Re: Beilby & Graefen
  >
  >I am completely turned off by this entire exchange -- by both of these
  >egocentric individuals. I'm on the verge of stopping receipt of all
  >listserver messages, as a matter of fact will probably do so later today. I
  >don't need this crap.
  >
  >This whole matter has been preposterous....
  >
  >Mike Reed in Lake Odessa, Michigan
  >
  >----- Original Message -----
  >From: George McKovich
  >To: Wayne Graefen
  >Cc: Intl 300
  >Sent: Tuesday, March 17, 2009 10:09 PM
  >Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Re:let 300 Club readers decide an end to this
  >
  >I sincerely ask the board to bring this to an end. Beilby contributes
  >zero to the furtherance of the purpose of this Club. CUT HIM OFF NOW!!
  >
  >George
  >
  >Sent from my iPhone
  >
  >On Mar 17, 2009, at 2:21 PM, "Wayne Graefen" 
  ><<mailto:wgraefen%40windstream.net>wgraefen@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  ><mailto:wgraefen%40windstream.net> >
  >wrote:
  >
  > > There is LOGICAL discussion to be read here for any member.
  > >
  > > Beilby has challenged me to state through photos and paperwork why
  > > his supercharged car should not be considered as a highly important
  > > and historic modified car equal to other cars such as my Kiekhaefer
  > > Road America competition model 300C or by association any other
  > > Kiekhaefer race car. That is EXACTLY BACKWARDS LOGIC for proving
  > > provenance of a car. The burden of proof is on the owner of the car.
  > > I didn't take photos of your car Mr. Beilby when I saw it years ago
  > > in California because it was not worthy of the film and its
  > > paperwork showed me nothing noteworthy or you can bet I would have
  > > been all over that file with my camera. You do the work. You have
  > > provided me with nothing. What is this about two factory
  > > supercharged cars? Gil can correct me if I am wrong because I
  > > believe he and I discussed the McCulloch supercharging of your C an
  > > awfully long time ago as well as the Latham supercharger on the car
  > > customized in California and there was never anything on any 300 C
  > > that went out to a dealer from the factory except dual quads and one
  > > car with a single four barrel. McColloch and Latham both offered
  > > aftermarket kits to the public for anyone to buy and the two
  > > examples noted just now were certainly not the only two Letter Cars
  > > to ever wear those kits. The car Mr. Beilby owns may have been
  > > ordered with the intent to purchase one of those aftermarket kits
  > > but there is no way it left Jefferson Avenue with a supercharger or
  > > support equipment. Mr. Beilby no matter how often you state
  > > something it is NOT going to make it into truth. Get over it.
  > >
  > > Mr. Beilby, QUOTE this "hand written history" where the owner
  > > "states that Chrysler started the supercharger installation". Quote
  > > it in full and in context. Send it to me and to Gil. That is the
  > > proper way to do this if you want some results. Better yet send us a
  > > photo copy of that whole history. Every page. Why didn't you do
  > > this years ago?
  > >
  > > Everyone, let's understand this about ALL 300Cs. Manual steering was
  > > STANDARD in 1957 for the 300C. You had to specify and pay extra to
  > > get power steering. The fact that Beilby's car has manual steering
  > > means diddly squat. NO PROBLEM for Chrysler there! Where does Beilby
  > > get this as a problem? There are numerous "large throat" air cleaner
  > > sets around Mr. Beilby, and I've written to you about them simply
  > > being the earliest production iteration of three types that were
  > > used; you have nothing special. I never said they were "never
  > > released" - where do you get this stuff? You won't accept what I say
  > > the first, second or third time I say it so I quit writing to you
  > > because it is futile. You are a waste of time because you won't
  > > listen to answers you don't agree with.
  > >
  > > Regarding the 300F Specials. Beilby is SORROWFULLY unqualified to
  > > write ANY comment about those cars. All he can do is lead to
  > > misunderstandings and muddy history much worse than it is. But your
  > > board lets him roll on and on. I don't call the shots on those cars,
  > > Mr. Beilby; I just happen to be the proud owner of one and believe I
  > > have run every point about them you have ever heard through Gil
  > > Cunningham at one juncture or another over time.
  > >
  > > Is there special value associated with some cars that are modified
  > > after they leave the factory? I am in no way denying that. It
  > > depends on their history and their ownership entirely. No one can
  > > deny that the fellow who paid a few million extra for the Shelby
  > > Super Snake that Carroll Shelby himself owned and modified bought a
  > > modified Shelby. Yet another Shelby bought by Joe Schmuck and drag
  > > raced to death is worth a mere pittance. They are both Shelbys
  > > aren't they? Similar case here. A Chrysler 300 modified for racing
  > > and titled to Carl Kiekhaefer and Mercury Marine is one whole
  > > helluva lot different than one that was driven to Daytona beach by a
  > > name totally lost to history where the engine seized and then the
  > > car was subjected to a decade of the most abusive form of
  > > motorsport: drag racing. Why do I keep saying the car was in such
  > > poor condition? You've given the club web page reference in your
  > > post and the pictures and your comments are there. "The in terior is
  > > shot" (your words). The "painted over lower body rust" (your words)
  > > ran front to rear. "The car was not as good as it looks in these
  > > photos". And you had the wisdom to buy it sight unseen, Mr. Beilby.
  > >
  > > I am being widely accused of ignoring Mr. Beilby's points on
  > > authenticity not only by Mr. Beilby but by others. HOG WASH. If
  > > y'all expect me to answer every one of those points then find a
  > > volunteer to sift through the hundreds and thousands of words that
  > > Mr. Beilby writes and the extreme misuse of English sentence
  > > structure and punctuation and RESTATE what those authenticity points
  > > are and I'll address them then and not a moment sooner. If someone
  > > else wants the job of '57 Model Year Consultant for this club and
  > > can field garbage as well as I'm doing, apply to my email address.
  > > Y'all come.
  > >
  > > Will Mr. Beilby actually restrain himself from posting or will the
  > > Electronics Committee actually remove his email stopping his ability
  > > to post?
  > >
  > > Wayne Graefen
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