Re: [Chrysler300] I have a 'G idea!

["Gary Barker" <gbarker@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Just adding a long story.  Back in 1974 I was working at a C...Y  Dealership.  The owner picked out a new car to drive for his personal use.  This was the first year that GM put Redial tires on there cars.  The next day the owner brought his car back to the shop.  He wanted me to check the Alignment.  So I did.  It was right on the money.  I called him and told him it was ok.  Asked him what was the problem.  He said it pulled to the right and wanted it fixed.  Now remember we knew nothing about Radial tires at that time.  So I started cranking the caster all over the place.  I finely got it to go straight down the road, But way out of specs.  I knew something was wrong but what?. 
 Well when he brought back the car for its 6,000 mile service we rotated the tires.  Wow  you talk about pulling.  You could let go of the steering wheel and the car would make a U-Turn to the left all by its self.  Now we knew there was a tire problem but which one.  So I put the car back on the alignment rack and set the front end back to factory specs.  Now the car still pulled to the left, But not as bad. So I crossed the front tires and now it pulled to the right. So I put the front tires on the back   It stilled pulled to the right but not as bad.
  Next I took the spare tire and put it on the left front No change.  Put it on the right and still no change ( About this time I was ready for a Adult Beverage)  So now I only have two tires to go.  I flipped a coin and the left rear won.  Put the spare on the Left rear. Another test drive.  No change.  Well only one tire left I put the spare on the right rear , Another test drive.  Guess what It went straight down the road.
 What I learned:  If you have a bad Radial Tire no matter what wheel its on it will affect the handling of your car   And it can be Hell trying to figure out what one it is.
  I punched out early and went home and had my Adult Drink.  Being a Factory Mechanic I spent over 5 1/2 hrs. fixing a new car  under warranty  Got paid for 1/2 Hr. of work.

         God either Loves or Hates Mechanics.   Gary Barker




From: mckanical-marvels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
Sent: Sunday, August 15, 2010 10:37 AM
To: Ryan Hill 
Cc: Chrysler 300 
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] I have a 'G idea!


  
Ryan is right on with everything he said. Measure everything.....then, 
measure again! A defective tire can also make a car pull really hard. It is 
very important that you make sure the rear axle housing is in alignment and 
tracking properly too.
Troy "K" Koop McKenzie
>From the highest county in PA

On Sun, 15 Aug 2010 10:27:07 -0700
Ryan Hill <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> I'm not sure what you would be trying to accomplish by adjusting your toe-in so dramatically? Toe in is the number of degrees between the wheel centerline from the front of the front wheel to rear of the front wheel. The left and right adjustment to the tie-rods are only going to reposition your steering wheel center and greatly increase your rolling resistance and tire wear; assuming you don't have a toe-out situation now.
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> If there was a section of subframe grafted in, it should be checked at an alignment shop to ensure all of the key points are within allowable tollerances. If they are, an alignment to factory settings should eliminate any effects of the accident damage. If the subframe is bent or the new grafted on portions were not placed correctly, you would need to have that corrected before you could ever align the car properly. Basically, if its bent beyond the scope of adjustment, you'll never get it aligned properly. You're not only concerned about toe-in, caster and camber would play a bigger part when it comes to pulling to the left or right, assuming all other components are working correctly.
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> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2010 21:19:20 -0700
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> Hello everyone in 300sville!
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> Well, after all checked out down at a local place hear, my G was pulling to the left abruptly because front bearings had to be replaced, adjustments were made a little looser and tighter than some of my adjustments, and that's it I think folks! All front suspension components seemed fine, wheel cylinders and brake hoses seemed fine (so another fellow who works there told me). I should have had Dave, their '300 guy', that I call there do it but he had to work on other things. Okay, enough! So movin' on, I don't know if I ever stated on this listserver that my G had been hit in an accident pretty darn hard on the left front!! Part of the subframe, the front right corner 'pieces', were from another car and were welded into place on mine in the 60s or 70s likely. I have a bad feeling that that might have something to do with it! The whole time I have had Melissa, (my G), I'ts been pulling to the right, sometimes more than others. I have had her now for 10
> years and went through entire brakes at leaste 5 to 6 times since day 1. ...........Now, hears an idea, why can't I just 'toe in' my right front wheel 3 to 4 turns of the tie rods and maybe 1 to 2 turns to 'toe in' my left front!!?? Think It's woth a shot? Sure, it will be more wear on my tires but maybe that's necessary to override or correct the problem. It would be like 'robbing Peter a little to pay Paul'. If a former accident is my problem, it will be simpler than a whole subframe change!Any suggestions? Thank you kindly in advance and I'll see you all at Carmel!!
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> Sincerely & 300ly, Brandt H J w/ a G.
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