Re: [Chrysler300] Delta Wing Air Cleaners

["John" <john@xxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Ron,

To my knowledge the car went through with a single carb, but the angle of the camera shots made it difficult to see.  My source for the info is about as good as one can get.  

Since my post earlier today I went to the B-J site and looked up this car and the Adventurer.  I believe that both are also listed with three speed automatic transmissions.  So does this indicate both cars have been changed to Torqueflites or the writers posting this stuff for B-J just don't have the facts correct?  My guess would be the latter.

John


  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Ron Waters 
  To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:54 PM
  Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Delta Wing Air Cleaners


    
  Hi John -

  I didn't watch the auction, but I did note that the image on the B-J website 
  showing the engine for the 56 Fireflite did only have a single 4bbl. What 
  was theorized was that since the B-J folks needed photos of the cars a 
  number of weeks in advance of the auction, that this was 'mocked up' since 
  the dual quads weren't installed yet.

  When you saw the auction live, did the car still retain a single 4bbl or had 
  they already installed the dual quads ? BTW, we are aware that the 
  Adventurer engine was NOT available as an option on the Fireflite.

  Ron

  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: "John" <john@xxxxxxxxx>
  To: <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 10:49 AM
  Subject: [Chrysler300] Delta Wing Air Cleaners

  > Over the weekend I watched some of the B-J auction on the tube. I did see 
  > the '56 DeSoto Fireflite convertible that came across and brought 
  > $335,000. When the hood went up there was a Delta Wing and immediately I 
  > knew this was not correct to this car. What I've since learned is that 
  > this example still retains a single WCFB and the two original mounting 
  > ports on the bottom side of the filter were filled in and then a new one 
  > created to mount to the single carb.
  >
  > Statements were made and the announcers didn't seem to have much knowledge 
  > on these Delta Wings. I did hear the name of one 300 Intl. club member 
  > that had e-mailed with some info regarding the DeSoto and it's one year 
  > use of the Delta Wing. The implication I got was that the announcers were 
  > stating that these units didn't start until 1956 and that is incorrect. I 
  > was also surprised that none of them knew the manufacture of all of them 
  > in the era.
  >
  > To ad a bit more on this I've attached an article I wrote some years ago 
  > and was published in the Chrysler 300 International Club's Newsletter. 
  > For those of you that are not learned on the subject this may be of some 
  > benefit. If not, simply push your delete button.
  >
  > John Lazenby
  >
  >
  > CHRYSLER C300 & 300 B
  >
  > DELTA WING OIL BATH AIR CLEANERS
  >
  > by
  >
  > John Lazenby
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > I was asked by Andy Mikonis to write this article in reference to 
  > questions and replies that were in recent e-mails on the club's list 
  > server. First I must state that I'm sure I don't have all of the facts as 
  > things are constantly being learned regarding our Letter Cars. Keeping 
  > that in mind this is what I can offer. The common name for them is 
  > "Batwing", but Delta Wing is actually correct.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > First, I'm fortunate to own examples of both a C300 (3N551881) produced 
  > April 13, 1955 and our 300B (3N561382) built February 17, 1956. Now for 
  > comparison the C300 is just about mid way through the production numbers 
  > of the '55 model where the '56 is around 35% through the run of B's.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > It always amazes me on how many people think these cars are pretty much 
  > the same except for the fins being grafted on the B. Over my years of 
  > ownership and having these two cars sitting beside each other in my garage 
  > I'm constantly finding differences. Some very suttle and some not so. I 
  > guess I could write many stories about each of these, but for this one 
  > I'll just stick to the Delta Wing.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > In the process of restoring our B and having at that time just purchased 
  > the C300 I was working on both at the same time. I ended up taking both 
  > Delta Wings to my painter at the same time for metal work and paint. It 
  > was not until we started looking at each piece that the differences came 
  > to light.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Now I've pretty much been of the opinion that the B is a better car than 
  > the C300 simply because there was time to work out issues with the earlier 
  > example. Hey C300 owners don't get me wrong as I love those also. Andy 
  > uses this same theory on the F / G relationship and refers to the F as the 
  > "proto type G". I still hold to my opinion on this with the exception of 
  > the Delta Wing.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > The difference is not in the wing, but in the pods themself. We discovered 
  > at the paint shop that the two pieces of the pods, an inner and outer will 
  > not interchange year to year. Also it was discovered that the guts of each 
  > was vastly different. The C300 is more detailed in the construction and 
  > the actual filtering contents seems to be much thicker with far more 
  > construction to hold it in place. I guess from a performance standpoint 
  > maybe this is why the change was made as it might have been more 
  > restrictive.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > The wing itself is the same from everything that I've been able to learn. 
  > Delco produced these units for several cars during this era. They were 
  > Caddy Eldos, Packard Caribbeans, De Soto Adventure's in 1956 only and 
  > certain Chevy's. Possibly there are more, but these are the ones I've 
  > personally seen. The major visible differences in all of these is the 
  > wing. Only the Chrysler version has the four ribs running fore and aft. 
  > The location of the pod holes are different and also the necks to the 
  > carbs and the spacing associated with them. Makes me wonder what the 
  > inside of the pods look like. Next time I encounter any of these at a swap 
  > meet I'll do my best to look and report the findings.
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > Other interesting facts are that some examples are mounted 180 degrees 
  > from what the Chryslers are which looks really strange I think. Also they 
  > used a variety of attaching hardware that looks like it should be in a 
  > 1950's kitchen. In closing I would say the next time you find one of these 
  > rare items be sure you know what you are buying before you realize it 
  > won't work. Happy hunting !!
  >
  >
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