RE: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions

["C Bilter" <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>]

Ah-ha!  Thank you Mike.  Here's a copy of another messgae I sent back to
Rich:
 
 
Hey Rich - 

I'll think of you when Carla & I visit the state fair in August.

Well, I'm not an expert on the K; so I checked a few things.  I was wrong on
something. From what I can tell the ram K came with the "performance
indicator" vacuum gauge in the console, just like the non-ram K with the
automatic.  The manual trans K came with the tach.  And the manual trans was
only available on the non-ram single 4bbl engine.  This is documented in the
Ackerson book on the Chrysler 300.  In that book, Gil Cunningham is quoted
as being appalled when in 1964 working for Chrysler he sat in a ram K
convertible - and it had the vacuum gauge.  

Based on the remote power brake booster - this is a ram K.  If I am correct
on that, this is an extremely rare car.  As of the last K registry published
that I have (Newsflite - Sept. 2002) there were only 17 known ram K
convertibles left, and only two of those were code TT1 Roman Red (both with
M8X black leather interiors).

I know, if I'm sending you into cardiac arrest and I'm wrong you're going to
kick my butt.  But we'll see.  That's a remote power brake booster in the
fender well.  Ain't nothing else that occupies that space.

Congrats again on a great find!  Please let the whole club know the when Gil
gets you the build card, or you get the car, whichever is first.

Carl

Rich- looking at the pictures again - be prepared for some possible
surprises.  I think there is a reason they didn't bother to show the engne
in the K.  It may not be original, or it may be mssing its rams, or maybe
the hood is just stuck shut.  Any intact ram engine would have been
photgraphed due to the "visual appeal" if for no other reason.  The shots on
the lift seem to indicate an undersized (2 inch) single exhaust.  That makes
no sense.  I can't see any of the exhaust headers and it would have 2.5 inch
duals on it.  I'm just saying - be prepared.
 
Regardless, you've got one helluva car!
 
Best,
Carl Bilter
300J
Corn growing like crazy mad in Iowa

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From: Mwl1967 [mailto:mwl1967@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:21 PM
To: cbilter@xxxxxxxxx; c300@xxxxxxx; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions


I agree, it's a ram car. The empty hole in the left lower dash trim is where
the choke cable used to be. In the photo the top switch is in the lower dash
frame, on the standard engine convertibles that top switch is in the
stainless
trim in the dash, not in the lower dash frame. 

Rich now tell us, did you check the vin and already know?
 
Mike Laiserin



-----Original Message-----
From: C Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
To: 'Rich Barber' <c300@xxxxxxx>; mwl1967 <mwl1967@xxxxxxx>
Sent: Wed, Jun 22, 2011 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions


Rich,
 
Well, I don't know about the cables in the trunk floor, but I will tell you
this.
 
I took another look at the picture of the driver's side inner fender well.
Then I went out to the garage to look at my J.  I'll swear that's a remote
power brake booster.  It looks the same as my J.  No one in their right mind
would install that - unless it is a ram car!  There was no room for the
booster on the ram car so they located it under the driver's side front
fender.  
 
The only other shot that will help us is the interior picture.  Look to the
left of the steering wheel.  To the right of the brake release cable (which
is pulled out in the picture) is a hole in the plate.  This is where the
manual choke knob would be on a ram car.  Non rams had something else there.
As all we have is an empty hole, who knows?
 
Perhaps the console has been changed out at some point or at least the tach
for the non -ram "performance gauge".  The shift lever is incorrect; so this
area has been messed with.  To see a correct shift lever, look at the
current ebay listing for the royal turquoise K convertible in Lakeland, FL.

 
So it is possible this is a ram car!
 
What a find!  Let us know when you get the car.  This is exciting!
 
Carl
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From: Rich Barber [mailto:c300@xxxxxxx <mailto:c300@xxxxxxx?> ] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 12:07 PM
To: 'C Bilter'; mwl1967@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions
 
The under-hood pic is of the Newport parts car to show the a/c.  One of the
pix shows the cables on the trunk floor.   My '86 T&C convertibles also have
those cables.  I don't think it is a ram car, but.  I got in late on the
bidding when it appeared there wasn't much action and there were a
helluvalotta things I did not have time to query.  At $4,350 for a good
body, low mileage, red, letter car convertible, I figgered I had a lot of
room to complete someone else's dream with a document restoration.  I
believe the car to be Roman Red Poly, but can't quite read the trim tag.  It
looks to have several layers of paint on it and is fuzzy.  The under trunk
shot appears to be a brighter red than the rather dusty/muddy/grimy doors
and fenders. I hope the "new" paint buffs out OK.  Even if it was originally
a different car, red it will stay.
 
I really appreciate your input.  The server rats have been kind and I'm
coming up with needed parts and a lot of guidance quickly.  Jim Krausmann
indicated he had a K with the tilt wheel and hated it as actuating the wheel
caused the turn signals to malfunction.  I once owned a '63 Newport with the
"square" steering wheel and loved it.  I may need the space created by the
tilt wheel now due to the growth of my "German chest" as I've heard it
described.
 
Thanks for your valued input.  This feels a little like a new parent would
feel with all sorts of good advice and curiosity over the new baby.  A
really great feeling, believe me.
 
 
Rich Barber
Director and Membership Manager
Chrysler 300 Club, Inc.
1801 Redwine Terrace
Brentwood, CA 94513-6000
Home: (925) 513-6583
Fax:  (925) 513-6573
Cell:  (925) 783-4893
e-mail:  c300@xxxxxxx
 
 
 
From: C Bilter [mailto:cbilter@xxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2011 7:23 AM
To: mwl1967@xxxxxxx; c300@xxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions
 
Rich, Mike-
 
I think that the pic of the engine shown on the ebay site is actually of the
64 Newport parts car not the K hence the silenced air cleaner.  It didn't
see a pic of the K engine compartment.
 
I may be mistaken but the one shot of the drivers front wheel well - looks
like a remote brake booster under the fender???  Could this be a ram
car???!! I think, however, the ram K would have a tach in the console and in
the pic it looks like a vacuum gauge which was used on the non-ram.   
 
Will be interesting, Rich, when you get the car or the microfilm from Gil on
what the car actually has (had) from the factory.
 
Carl Bilter
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From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx?> ] On Behalf Of mwl1967@xxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2011 10:54 PM
To: c300@xxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 1964 Chrysler 300 Kwestions
 
  
Rich,

My 300K has a '63 roof assembly on it. It's been about 20 years (ugh, 
really) since I got the car and put it back together and robbed the roof 
from a '63 parts car. I guess the quarter glass is the same since I never 
changed it out and everything fits.

The one difference I noticied immediately is that the '64 had a cable 
with an eyelet running on each side from the siderail about above the front 
door, through the top material and attached somewhere in the rear 
mechanism with a tension spring. The was to keep the top tightand fitting
snugly as 
it came down and wrapped over the side of the roof. The '63 assy doensn't 
have this provision and the top seems to have shrunk a little perhaps 
because of it. Maybe someone can email a photo if my description is lacking.


Cureous about the color on your recent acquisition, was it roman red? 
What about the engine compartment? Was the car front ended at some point 
and had the nose replaced and someone didn't bother to paint the inner 
fenders? Also, is it a 413? Air cleaner with single snorkel seems
Newport/New 
Yorker variety... K should have unsilenced w/out snorkel no?

Mike Laiserin

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