I am not sure but I suspect that most of the off the shelf consumer waxes and polishes contain silicones. Paint prep type products such as Eastwood's paint prep removes at least most of the silicones but it can still be a problem. I have used Griot's Garage products for a couple years now and have been pleased with the results and they do not use silicones in their waxes and polishes. Also they are water based and clean up easily. While their products are a bit pricey in general, they usually offer 15% off at least twice a year (Christmas and early summer) and sometimes free shipping. Or, if you have Haggerty's insurance for your collector car you can get a 10% discount through the Haggerty Plus program. Carl E Bilter CEB with a J _____ From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gloria Moon Sent: Monday, July 18, 2011 5:31 PM To: 300-Chrysler 300 Club Subject: [Chrysler300] Silicone Waxes. Bad stuff? Turtle Black Box System "Carnauba blend"??? Hi all, 1. We understand from more than 1 bodyman that one should not use waxes that have silicone in them. Reason is (at least in part) body shops have real problems in painting these cars, especially when trying to blend in a spot area. Seems that they cannot get out the silicone that has penetrated into the paint and silicone does bad things to new paint, like Armorall type products do. TRUE? 2. As we recall, Turtle was one of the first to go to silicone waxes. Does anybody know if Turtle "Black Box" 3 step wax system contains any silicone? It is called a "Carnauba blend" wax - what ever that means. Carnauba blended with what? Mother's is pure Carnauba. We've asked Turtle Wax customer service about this by phone only to be told that they don't know but they will have the government required Specs. sheet on their "Black Box" product e-mailed to us "right away" . So far (you guessed it) no e-mail! Thanks for anything that any of you might know on the subject. Our Best, Happy 300ing. A&G Moon [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ To send a message to this group, send an email to: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to bob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx or go to http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join and select the "Leave Group" button For list server instructions, go to http://www.chrysler300club.com/yahoolist/inst.htm For archives go to http://www.forwardlook.net/300-archive/search.htm#querylangYahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Chrysler300/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: Chrysler300-digest@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Chrysler300-fullfeatured@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Chrysler300-unsubscribe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/