Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

[Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>]

John,
I wonder what price range they are considering. 

I paid $800 per car set for my Jaguars (6 shocks) . 
They made such a terrific difference that I would be willing to buy 2 sets if necessary. If they're thinking $100 each, I wonder how it would change if we thought in terms of $200 each. 
I would gladly pay $800 for a set of Koni  shocks designed by Koni  for my car.
I also wonder just where all the same shocks (as ours) were used originally, and  hopw many of those folks we could interest.
Mike Moore 

On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, John wrote:

> CanMan & All!
> 
> I sent the email below to see if there is any interest in Koni shocks for our 
> 1957-1964 Mopars. 
> 
> So far, not including ole CanMan, I have heard interest in the Koni shocks 
> totaling four and a half car sets. Only 45.5 sets to go!! 
> 
> The Koni US factory representative said fifty CAR SETS would be the minimum 
> amount required to have the factory in Holland make a production run. 
> 
> Konis are an adjustable, super-premium shock at a super-premium price, used on 
> many expensive high-speed European sports cars because of their superior control 
> characteristics - a car set of four shocks for many cars often runs $600 or 
> more. I know it is nearly impossible to convince someone who is used to paying 
> $15/each for shocks that one could be worth 10x the price. Heck, even the KYBs, 
> which I like very much and have on a couple of my early 60s Mopars and other 
> cars, are beyond the pale for many at $30-$40 each - and they are well-worth the 
> price in improved handling. I find it a little irritating that the KYBs are 
> made in the Far East, though, but they have proven to be a long-lasting, 
> well-made product. At least the Konis are made in Holland. 
> 
> To tell the story in more detail, I've only had Koni shocks on one car, a 1962 
> Morgan Plus/4. When I got the car in 1980, with well over 100,000 miles on it, I 
> ordered Konis right away. Much to my surprise, when I cleaned off the surface 
> rust on the old shocks, they too were Konis, with a 1964 date of manufacture on 
> them! The new ones I installed hardly made a difference, and the old ones still 
> had one more "click" of adjustment left on them to stiffen up the rebound 
> action, even being 16 years old at the time. I was impressed, and drove that 
> car 65,000 miles in my ownership, with never a concern about shocks. 
> 
> One thing that just came to mind - There are US manufacturers that are making 
> high-performance shocks for the likes of Camaros, Mustangs, etc., - I wonder if 
> any of them would take a look at a set of KYBs as an example, and come up with a 
> shock for us? Maybe there's a close fit that can be adapted - I'm messing 
> around with a '72 Pinto wagon (who knows why?!), and installed KYBs all around - 
> I had read, and since confirmed, that 1980s Camaro rear shocks fit and work very 
> well on the rear of the Pinto.
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> John Spiers
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Alumcantandthd <alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx>
> To: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Mon, July 25, 2011 10:06:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> 
> How many do you have signed up, to get a set?
> 
> How soon is this gonna happen?
> 
> Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: L-FORWARDLOOK@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Fri, Jul 22, 2011 10:02 am
> Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> 
> To continue forward with this discussion about shock absorbers at the 300 Club 
> listserver:
> 
> Koni once made front and rear shocks to fit our cars.
> 
> I recall having read a thread on the Imperial Club's website. I found it, and 
> here it is, complete with misspellings:
> 
> Tip from Philippe:
> Just a little story about shock absorbers, I think that it could help you and 
> the Imperial owners. Last year I bought a 57 wrecked Crown (no glasses, rust 
> everywhere, transmission « out »). This car was neglected since 1966 so all the 
> parts on it were never replaced with aftermarket parts ! Except one thing : the 
> shock absorbers! Maybe the original « Oriflow » weren't as strong as Chrysler 
> said! I was very surprised when I removed the shocks : they aren't « made in 
> Brazil or Mexico » as actual sold by K....R or B......M. There are KONI shocks, 
> a very reliable & famous make (more expensive also). But I don't know if Koni 
> make them always. Summit has Koni shocks on his catalog. I give you the 
> reference (as they are the same from 57 to 65) : Front : 80 C 1229 Rear : 82 
> 1066 Date of manufacturing : 11/64 If they are always manufactured, buy them and 
> don't buy $80.00 for four : I bought 4 gaz charged absorbers (from kanter) : 
> after one year, one was leaking and one was jamed ! Mexico made ...
> >>Follow-up from Dietmar:
> >>>You are right- KONI is the worlds best qualitiy shock absorbers for street and 
> >>>race cars. They will serve You a 100 000 miles without any complain. I use them 
> >>>on my IMP 60 so this havy car dont swim nor incline in the curve, I use KONI an 
> >>>all sports car I have.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>---
> >>>
> 
> So I sent an email to Koni North America, inquiring about the above mentioned 
> part numbers. Here is the reply:
> 
> From: "Mclaughlin, Paul - ITT Motion Technologies" <Paul.Mclaughlin@xxxxxxx> 
> To: "spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> 
> Haven't had those part#'s for years... I think u have to buy 50 cars sets each 
> to get run made in Holland.
> 
> Paul McLaughlin
> Koni Shock Absorbers
> ITT Corporation
> Racing Technical Sales Rep.
> 1961A International Way
> Hebron, Ky. 41048
> 800-922-2616 option 6
> 
> ---
> 
> I checked on prices of Koni shocks. They are much more than the KYBs - for 
> example, on Koni's website, a pair of front shocks for a 1970 Dodge Challenger 
> lists for $320/pair (online price, $240) and the rear pair list for $380 (online 
> price, $285). And they do go for upwards of $500/pair in some cases.
> 
> To make the minimum order, I think it would be difficult to convince a total of 
> 50 people worldwide, between both 300 clubs, the Imperial Club, both Christine 
> clubs, and all the members of the Forwardlook list, to drop $600 on a set of 
> Koni shocks, when there are discussions of the KYBs being far too expensive at 
> over $100/set . . . and I wouldn't drive another one of these cars without at 
> least KYBs on it. The difference, to you who don't know, is like AM radio 
> versus satellite radio. 
> 
> I personally would buy at least 2 sets of the Konis, after experiencing the 
> profound difference of KYBs, and knowing the Konis are another quantum leap 
> forward - I've only run them 65,000 miles on one car I've owned (a '62 Morgan 
> +4) and was very impressed. One important and interesting feature of the Konis, 
> is that they are adjustable for firmness/softness in their rebound action. 
> http://www.koni-na.com/comp.cfm
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> John Spiers
> 
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Huff <czbill@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>; Tony Bevacqua <tonysru2@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Marshall Larson <granitledge@xxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Sent: Thu, July 21, 2011 9:27:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Shocks.
> 
> There are some H.D. choices out there. Not many cheap one though.
> 
> http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-Heavy-Duty-Shock-Absorber/dp/B001HIAMWU/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=300%7C2489&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Chrysler%7C39&Year=1970%7C1970&newCar=1&carId=001
> 
> Bill Huff
> 
> At 7/21/201111:58 AM, Michael Moore wrote:
> >I installed those on my 300H and was grateful to get them.
> >I wish they were stiffer though.
> >Its almost as though there are no shocks on the car, but insofar as 
> >I know, that's all thats available.I wish Koni made a set to fit.
> >Mike Moore
> >300H
> >
> >
> >On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Tony Bevacqua wrote:
> >
> > > KYB shocks. KG4507 and KG 5511 are the correct ones. I just made a
> > > purchase for my 57 (shocks are correct for 1957 to 1964, I believe).
> > > $116.32 for the 4 shocks, plus handling, etc.
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> > > Behalf Of Marshall Larson
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:26 AM
> > > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Shocks.
> > >
> > > Any suggestions for an appropriate brand and model of shocks for a G. I
> > > don't need anything exotic, just proper ride and to deal with the radials
> > > that are on the car. All suggestions appreciated.
> > >
> > > MN Marshall
> > >
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