Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni

[Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>]

Gil,-all
Do we have any way of knowing what all those Koni Shocks fit?
Front 80C-1229
Rear 82-1066 
Best,
Mike Moore 

On Jul 31, 2011, at 7:51 AM, lettercars@xxxxxxx wrote:

> To All:
> I have not been following all the Koni conversations, having been satisfied 
> with the KYBs I installed several years ago on the 300F and 300H converts.
> However, I just took a look in my 300C folder, suspecting that I might have 
> some original info on the Konis I put on it those many years ago. Of 
> course, there the sales slip was, dated 9-19-67! Never a doubt! Anyway, I 
> don't recall if anyone referenced the original Koni part numbers for those 
> specified for the 300C. (Actually only Plymouth and Dodge, '57 to '61, are 
> mentioned in the Koni spec sheet.) If not, here they are:
> Front: 80C-1229, $26.00 each.
> Rear: 82-1066, $25.00 each.
> With tax, total cost came to $106.08. I don't know what that is in 
> today's $$$.
> As I think I said in a previous email, I set the resistance at about the 
> mid point, and was very satisfied. I drove the car for about 3 years after 
> the installation, including our wedding trip to New England.
> Since I also had my XK-E convert at that time, they also sent me those 
> numbers. (price F, $30, R, $32)
> I didn't bite on those----guess I thought the Jag was good enough with its 
> originals.
> Anyway, if I duplicated info that has already been stated, sorry. If not, 
> I would think Koni would certainly retain specifications for their 
> previously available products.
> 300ly, Gil Cunningham
> 
> ps: Just ck'd all of this LONG email list, and it looks like somebody did 
> mention original Koni pn's, so 
> sorry for the duplication. I'll mail it anyway!
> 
> 
> I apparently had written Koni to inquire as to where I could obtain the 
> shocks. They responded with lots of info plus the local dealer in the 
> Detroit area. The literature a
> 
> 
> 
> In a message dated 7/31/2011 8:25:49 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, 
> thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
> 
> Guys the '300ly sun gods' shone today, after maybe the coldest 5 weeks 
> here in many years - and having choice of starting the day outside by removing 
> trans from my 6 Series BM Coupe or taking shots & measurements of original 
> '57 300C shocks, I did the shocks first.
> 
> Attached are a few shots of fronts and less of rears - my i/net slow, so I 
> will send all other ones taken to Clunb photo man Bob, along with shots of 
> original issue 1960 Chrysler Seat Belts which have been discussed on this 
> site re what were they like. These shots I will send tomorrow or next day,. 
> when more time and my i/net hopefully faster.
> 
> I put a tape measure in most shots, BUT HERE ARE KEY DIMENSIONS
> 1) overall length of shock metal case MINUS THE SHAFT PART = 8 1/4 inches
> 2) length of compressed shock (from centre of mount eye at base to mid 
> point of shaft at top of shock (measured (at top) to mid point of unthreaded 
> protruding shaft) ) = 8 inches (this is the minimum distance the mounted 
> shock could ever compress to).
> 3) overall length of compressed shock (now including shaft at top) = just 
> under 10 1/4 inches.
> 4) length of extended shock, measured from centre of lower mount eye, to 
> centre of unthreaded extended shaft at top = 12 1/2inches.
> 5) outside diameter of the metal case of the shocker is 1 1/2 inches
> 6) KEY POINT - THE SHOCKS REQUIRE MAYBE DOUBLE THE FORCE TO EXTEND - ie it 
> takes twice the force on the upstroke, versus the force to compress them.
> 
> THIS IS I BELIEVE A KEY FAILING OF USING KYB and other non genuine shocks 
> - they DO NOT HAVE THIS GREATER RESISTANCE TO THE INITAIL EXTENSION STROKE 
> ??!!
> 
> Rear shocks - someone asked maximum length - they are outside now and it 
> dark, but I think one of enclosed shots shows the max mounted length.
> 
> Sorry the Club site will knock off, not include, the shots attached - 
> maybe Bob or other can put them up on Club Tech page somewhere.
> The shocks are off 2 off my 300Cs, third one had/has same on front, they 
> are dated '56 and 57 issue, have the ORIFLOW made in USA stampings around 
> ring at base on fronts, correct PNs listed for original issue - stampings are 
> on the lower outer sides of the upper shell on the rears.
> 
> The Ford Tank Fairlane that my mum had, that I fitted Konis to the front 
> of, is maybe a car that Koni still are able to supply shocks for - a good 
> easy start might be ask Koni how close are the outer/length dimension to 
> those of 300C, knowing that the lower eye is different, BUT may be easy for 
> Koni to make/alter Ford shock to 300 lower mount style??! Galaxies into the 
> early 60s may have used same Ford Tank type shocks - and that Tank had same 
> loose uncontrolled initial upward bounce that it looks like Chrysler tried 
> to eliminate on the 300s by having a stronger upstroke than the compression 
> one??
> 
> Good luck, somebody owes me a red wine/beer, for all this typing etc!!
> 
> Christopher in Australia
> 
> > CC: r2gthawk@xxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > To: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > From: mmoore8425@xxxxxxx
> > Date: Sat, 30 Jul 2011 19:35:54 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > 
> > 
> > Hey guys-here is the note I had earlier from Koni. If anyone has the 
> dimensional data, perhaps from an old shock, it would sure be a huge help. I 
> just sent him the KYB number we're using for the front, but that must not be 
> enough.
> > 
> > John Spiers, if we can get the dimensional data do you want to pick up 
> this interface with Lee Grimes before I cause mass confusion? 
> > 
> > 
> > "Michael,
> > 
> > Since this is a vehicle for which nothing has been made in a very, very 
> long time (I have been here 15+ years and don't recall it), I would not be 
> very optimistic that this is very doable at all regardless of the number of 
> units ordered. It will for sure require a pretty sizable amount of 
> engineering time to effectively make a new part up from scratch (new drawings, 
> R&D, etc.) which is very hard if not impossible to amortize across just 100 
> pieces each of a front and rear part number and still make it market viable.
> > 
> > Since it will most likely be a relatively basic traditional non-spring 
> perch shock absorber front and rear with either a pin or eye mount at either 
> or both ends, this is potentially more viable than a modern strut damper 
> with more complicated attachments and expensive spring perches, sway bar 
> brackets, etc..
> > 
> > Although there is far more as yet unknown than known about these 
> dampers, I can only make a WAG at per unit pricing. If they are truly basic units 
> as I am guessing, in that limited volume I am going to guess that a 
> wholesale price would be between $80-120 each. Again, that number could go up or 
> down (but probably not too much lower) once we have more known info.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Certainly increasing the volume potential would help as well. This is 
> based on it being a traditional KONI rebound damping adjustable twin tube low 
> pressure gas damper. We do have a line of much lower priced non-adjustable 
> products but the minimum numbers may be more like 400-500 of each to work.
> > 
> > If you could share (fax or email) some dimensional information on a 
> drawing showing max extended and min. compressed lengths along with the 
> attachment types and dimensions, maybe we could get lucky and find that there is 
> something already in the current application list that is close enough to 
> use as-is or as a current manufactured baseline to build from. I guess the 
> first step would be to get dimensions and go from there.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Unfortunately this is very likely to be a dead end project due to 
> manufacturing issues and costs but it doesn't hurt to look into it given some 
> time. KONI is usually by far the most volume flexible of the major shock 
> absorber manufacturers but as time progresses even we are more and more limited 
> on the custom and low volume projects that are feasible.
> > 
> > BTW, I actually own an old sports car "special" built on an early '50s 
> Dodge/Chrysler ladder frame that still uses the suspension, axles and drum 
> brakes from the donor car. It was built as a drag car in the early '60s with 
> a Chevy engine and transmission and a Devin fiberglass body on top. It was 
> a regular "junkyard dog" special back in its day. I hope to start the 
> frame up restoration in the next year or two. Are things like suspension 
> bushings and brake parts still around and available for these old cars?
> > 
> > Best regards,
> > Lee Grimes
> > KONI North America
> > 
> > On Jul 30, 2011, at 6:44 PM, John wrote:
> > 
> > > John B -
> > > 
> > > No problem. I have 100% faith in the Koni product, with my personal 
> experience, and especially after reading the various experiences of 300 Club 
> members here with other makes. The KYBs are very good, but the Konis I 
> believe are excellent. Some of us spend $800-$1000 on a set of modern 
> wide-whitewall radial tires, which significantly upgrades the ride comfort and 
> handling of our 300s. Yet they are unlikely spend more than $60 on a set of 
> shock absorbers that will add another quantum leap in improvement in the same 
> criteria. It remains to be seen what the cost would be from Koni, or even if 
> they will manufacture them for us - or even if we get the minimum of 50 
> sets originally stated by US-Koni - I think we're up to about 17-18 sets so 
> far, pretty good considering there is not yet interest from anyone other 
> than Chrysler 300 Club Int'l members.
> > > 
> > > I think that if Koni cannot or will not re-manufacture the original 
> part numbers, I will see if there is a physical fit, and as with the KYBs, 
> they will not have the blessing of the manufacturer for the Chrysler 
> application. But they are adjustable, so if there is a shock that fits, and it is 
> for a lighter car (and that is probable) we might have to adjust them to a 
> firmer or the firmest setting to get the desired result. Adjusting them is 
> an easy process: Compress the shock until a pair of teeth engage from top to 
> bottom of the shock, and rotate clockwise/counterclockwise to 
> stiffen/soften the action of the unit. And this can be also done to compensate for 
> wear. My long-gone 1962 Morgan still had a 1/2-turn left in adjustment with the 
> 1964-manufactured Konis. If I recall correctly, out of the box, they have 
> 4-5 full turns of adjustment either firmer or softer.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > 
> > > John Spiers
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: john begian <r2gthawk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 9:15 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > 
> > > HI,
> > > 
> > > I would be interested in a set also, for my G ragtop.
> > > 
> > > Thanks for your help in moving this project along!
> > > 
> > > John Begian
> > > Saline, MI
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Ronald Kurtz <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Chrysler 300 Club Intl 
> <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Sat, July 30, 2011 11:51:33 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > 
> > > 
> > > The total count thus far is about 16 sets. Absolutely no hint from 
> US-Koni as to the price has been provided. 
> > > 
> > > A buddy in one of the Christine clubs ('57, '58 Plymouths) send out an 
> email to his club's listserver members, no response so far.
> > > 
> > > The Koni rep has not said anything, other than a total of 50 sets 
> would be needed to start production, and also that depends upon the 
> availability of component parts. He said some of the components may be out of 
> production, which is the same news received by a club member with a contact inside 
> Koni. Koni has not responded yet to my email late last week about making a 
> run of fewer sets.
> > > 
> > > John Spiers
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Ronald Kurtz <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Saturday, July 30, 2011 11:41 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > 
> > > Hi, John:
> > > 
> > > I'd like to get front and rear shocks for my E, Please count me in.
> > > 
> > > Best,
> > > Ron Kurtz
> > > E# 292
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 12:33:36 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I sure can ask now!
> > > 
> > > Preferably, I'd rather wait and see if there's some more interest here 
> - and I 
> > > repeat - to anyone who is on the 59SportFury.net board - the Imperial 
> Club - or 
> > > the WPC Club - or any related organization, to see how much interest 
> we can pick 
> > > up. I'd rather approach Koni with "all
> > > guns blazing" with a significant 
> > > interest, rather than going off half-cocked. Help, please!
> > > 
> > > At least then, we could see at what price point Koni would be.
> > > 
> > > John
> > > 
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>
> > > To: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 
> alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; 
> > > l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> > > 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 12:13:29 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > 
> > > Hmm. 
> > > John,
> > > Do you think its unreasonable to say something to them like
> > > like:
> > > 
> > > "It's a little difficult to measure the interest in something people 
> don't know 
> > > the cost of. Could you give me a budgetary price for x pieces (25 
> sets?) of 
> > > front shocks for these cars? Some people may be willing to buy 
> multiple sets to 
> > > make up the volume, but they need to know about a range of how much 
> they cost".
> > > I certainly understand not wanting to
> > > exercise Koni, but its a chicken and egg 
> > > sort of thing. If the price of 50 sets was low, you'd sell out 
> immediately. If 
> > > too high---well, we'd know that too pretty soon.
> > > 
> > > Mike Moore
> > > 
> > > . 
> > > 
> > > On Jul 26, 2011, at 8:12 AM, John wrote:
> > > 
> > > There is no price. I wouldn't even ask unless we had enough interest.
> > > >
> > > >John
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Michael Moore <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>
> > > >To: christopher beilby <thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >Cc: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; 
> l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >
> > > >Sent: Tue, July 26, 2011 11:07:24 AM
> > > >Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > >
> > > >Have they said what the price would be in a lot of 50 pieces?
> > > >Mike Moore
> > > >300H
> > > >
> > > >On Jul 26, 2011, at 7:53 AM, christopher beilby wrote:
> > > >
> > > >Can I suggest that for an easier start/option, that you just
> > > look at getting 
> > > >orders for front shocks - if so I would take two sets if the price 
> not much more 
> > > >than a $100 a shock.
> > > >> 
> > > >>Konis are brilliant on the front of a car that needs good control. I 
> have maybe 
> > > >>3 good original 300C factory fitted shocks, they currently not on 
> my 300Cs. I 
> > > >>have put a pair of KYBs on my driver 300C, but they still do not 
> feel as good as 
> > > >>they could, nor maybe better than the original 300C front shocks 
> that I
> > > removed.
> > > >> 
> > > >>My mother had new a late 50s big block Ford Ranchwagon, and we lived 
> up bush at 
> > > >>the time. The factory shocks lasted only around 15k miles on aussie 
> country bush 
> > > >>bitumen roads/tracks, this in then 70-80 mph everyday cruise speeds.
> > > >>And the front felt just like 300Cs with KYBS - not out of control, 
> but a bit 
> > > >>sloppy over dips etc. I fitted Konis, and boy what a car it made of 
> it -
> > > now 
> > > >>cruised everywhere at 80-90 mph on good radials. And so I put them 
> on the rear 
> > > >>of another newer aussie Ford V8, a hotted up one that was good for 
> 125+ mph, 
> > > >>quarter mile in around 14 secs. And in the next few years, I did 
> 180,000 fast 
> > > >>miles in that car, over 120k of those I worked out recently at over 
> 100mph 
> > > >>cruise speeds. (A cop pulled me up once, said he had tailed me from 
> about 1-2 
> > > >>miles behind for last 15 miles - told me he
> > > clocked my speed never below 108mph, 
> > > >>and up to 115mph, but after bouncing car to check shocks and seeing 
> top quality 
> > > >>high speed radails, said it perfectly safe, just don't do it when 
> cops were 
> > > >>around!!) And when I removed the shocks, they were still like new re 
> 
> > > >>axction/reaction, despite the steel casings near shotblasted/dinted 
> to 
> > > >>hell/nothing, by untold 100+mph stones/grit etc, never mind they
> > > often buried in 
> > > >>dust/mud.
> > > >> 
> > > >>Owners of 300s that are trailer queens do not bother with Konis - 
> but everyone 
> > > >>else, if Konis can make a shock to suit our 300s, especially the 
> needy 300 
> > > >>front, it will put the biggest country and town smiles on our/your 
> faces, it 
> > > >>will make the car 30-50% more fun/safer.
> > > >>I have Konis on my old early 70s Lamborghini, rear of my BM 6 series 
> coupe, and 
> > > >>recently I have discovered '77/78
> > > TBirds - the ones with 400s and C6 autos - and 
> > > >>all those combo ones lack to be a real fun driver's/punter car is 
> better/right 
> > > >>shocks, and if Koni make a not too dear one for them, at least 2 of 
> the 4 of 
> > > >>them will get them as I can afford. A good driver performance car 
> can be made 
> > > >>into a magic drivers/fun car with Konis - boring, more lackluster 
> cars, will 
> > > >>gain little from them
> > > though.
> > > >> 
> > > >>Get those 300 order numbers any way you/we can, you will not be 
> disappointed. 
> > > >>Hemi and crossram 300s were just made for Konis to make them even 
> better fun. Go 
> > > >>for Koni fronts first, this cheaper than all 4 at once, and if we 
> can, then go 
> > > >>for the rears as well later.
> > > >> 
> > > >>my two bobs worth - backed by owning/driving over 100 cars from many 
> > > >>makers/countries - and my heavy right foot is still younger than my 
> > > >>brain/commonsense.
> > > >>Christopher in Australia
> > > >> 
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > ________________________________
> > > To: mmoore8425@xxxxxxx
> > > >>CC: alumcantandthd@xxxxxxx; l-forwardlook@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 63-64chryslers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>
> > > >>From: spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 07:01:30 -0700
> > > >>Subject: Re: [FWDLK] [Chrysler300] Shocks - Koni
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >>Hi Mike - 
> > > >>
> > > >>I included you and your 300Hs in the "4-1/2" count of possible 
> buyers for 
> > > >these 
> > > >>Koni shocks. 
> > > >>
> > > >>I think there is not
> > > enough interest worldwide - so far it's me, you, another 
> > > >>person from the 300 Club Int'l, and possibly Rick from the 
> Forwardlook list 
> > > >>(who 
> > > >>didn't say how many). So, I have not asked the Koni rep anything 
> further than 
> > > >>the initial availability question below - right now, there is no 
> pricing and 
> > > >no 
> > > >>consideration to place these back into production..
> > > >>
> > > >>The low interest in these shocks may just be the nature of the owner 
> of these 
> > > >>cars -
> > > most drivers of these cars take them out on slow Sunday drives, and 
> > > >have 
> > > >>had them for many years, when there were nice runners available for 
> four 
> > > >weeks' 
> > > >>pay. In 2011, for many folks, paying more than a modest dinner for 
> two out on 
> > > >>the town for a set of four shocks is considered excessive - and is 
> reflected 
> > > >by 
> > > >>the near-zero interest this is generating
> > > here.
> > > >>
> > > >>Myself, I get out in the cut & thrust of I-95 in South Florida and 
> have to 
> > > >>out-maneuver the media-estimated 30% of drivers who have NO car 
> insurance at 
> > > >>all. The added control afforded by the $130-$140 KYBs have saved my 
> butt on 
> > > >>many 
> > > >>occasions - but there's room for improvement. I consider the KYBs 
> good 
> > > >>insurance, and for a one-time purchase, an excellent investment. And 
> the car 
> > > >is 
> > > >>more pleasant and fun to drive - I can only
> > > imagine what the Konis would be 
> > > >>like. I would surely never go back to the stock-type shock absorber, 
> ever. 
> > > >>
> > > >>I am copying this discussion over onto the Forwardlook list, and I 
> welcome 
> > > >>anyone to bring it to the 1959 Plymouth list, the Christine clubs, 
> or any 
> > > >other 
> > > >>related Mopar auto
> > > forum.
> > > >>
> > > >>John
> > > >>
> > > >>________________________________
> > > >>
> > > >>John,
> > > >>I wonder what price range they are considering. 
> > > >>
> > > >>I paid $800 per car set for my Jaguars (6 shocks) . 
> > > >>They made such a terrific difference that I would be willing to buy 
> 2 sets if 
> > > >>necessary. If they're thinking $100 each, I wonder how it would 
> change if we 
> > > >>thought in terms of $200 each. 
> > > >>
> > > >>I would gladly pay $800 for a set of Koni shocks designed by Koni 
> for my car.
> > > >>I also wonder just where all
> > > the same shocks (as ours) were used originally, 
> > > >>and hopw many of those folks we could interest.
> > > >>Mike Moore 
> > > >>
> > > >>On Jul 25, 2011, at 9:13 PM, John wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> CanMan & All!
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I sent the email below to see if there is any interest in Koni 
> shocks
> > > for 
> > > >our 
> > > >>> 1957-1964 Mopars. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> So far, not including ole CanMan, I have heard interest in the 
> Koni shocks 
> > > >>> totaling four and a half car sets. Only 45.5 sets to go!! 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> The Koni US factory representative said fifty CAR SETS would be 
> the minimum 
> > > >>> amount required to have the factory in Holland make a production 
> run. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Konis are an adjustable, super-premium shock at a super-premium 
> price, used 
> > > >>on 
> > > >>
> > > >>> many expensive high-speed European
> > > sports cars because of their superior 
> > > >>>control 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> characteristics - a car set of four shocks for many cars often 
> runs $600 or 
> > > >>> more. I know it is nearly impossible to convince someone who is 
> used to 
> > > >>paying 
> > > >>
> > > >>> $15/each for shocks that one could
> > > be worth 10x the price. Heck, even the 
> > > >>>KYBs, 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> which I like very much and have on a couple of my early 60s Mopars 
> and 
> > > other 
> > > >>> cars, are beyond the pale for many at $30-$40 each - and they are 
> > > well-worth 
> > > >>>the 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> price in improved handling. I find it a little irritating that the 
> KYBs are 
> > > >>> made in the Far East, though, but they have proven to be a 
> long-lasting, 
> > > >>> well-made product. At least the Konis are made in Holland. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> To tell the story in
> > > more detail, I've only had Koni shocks on one car, a 
> > > >>1962 
> > > >>
> > > >>> Morgan Plus/4. When I got the car in 1980, with well over 100,000 
> miles on 
> > > >>it, 
> > > >>>I 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> ordered Konis right away. Much to my surprise, when I cleaned off 
> the 
> > > >surface 
> > > >>> rust on the old shocks, they too were Konis, with a 1964 date of 
> manufacture 
> > > >>>on 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> them! The new ones I installed hardly made a difference, and the 
> old ones 
> > > >>>still 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> had one more "click" of adjustment left on them to stiffen up the 
> rebound 
> > > >>> action, even being 16 years old at the time. I was impressed, and 
> drove 
> > > that 
> > > >>> car 65,000 miles in my ownership, with never a concern about 
> shocks. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> One thing that just came to mind - There are US manufacturers that 
> are 
> > > >making 
> > > >>> high-performance shocks for the likes of Camaros, Mustangs, etc., 
> - I wonder 
> > > >>>if 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> any of them would take a look at a set of KYBs as an example, and 
> come up 
> > > >>with 
> > > >>>a 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> shock for us? Maybe
> > > there's a close fit that can be adapted - I'm messing 
> > > >>> around with a '72 Pinto wagon (who knows why?!), and installed 
> KYBs all 
> > > >>around 
> > > >>>- 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I had read, and since confirmed, that 1980s Camaro rear shocks fit 
> and work 
> > > >>>very 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> well on the rear of the Pinto.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Cheers.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> John Spiers
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> ________________________________
> > > >>
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> How many do you have signed up, to get a set?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> How soon is this gonna happen?
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Thanks,,,,,,,,,,,,,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>----------------------------------------------------------
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> To continue forward with this discussion about shock absorbers at 
> the 300 
> > > >>Club 
> > > >>
> > > >>> listserver:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Koni once made front and rear shocks to fit our cars.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I recall having read a thread on the Imperial Club's website. I 
> found it, 
> > > >and 
> > > >>> here it is, complete with misspellings:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Tip from Philippe:
> > > >>> Just a little story about shock absorbers, I think that it could 
> help you 
> > > >and 
> > > >>> the Imperial owners. Last year I bought a 57 wrecked Crown (no 
> glasses, 
> > > rust 
> > > >>> everywhere, transmission « out »). This car was neglected since
> > > 1966 so all 
> > > >>>the 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> parts on it were never replaced with aftermarket parts ! Except 
> one thing : 
> > > >>>the 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> shock absorbers! Maybe the original « Oriflow » weren't as strong 
> as 
> > > >Chrysler 
> > > >>> said! I was very surprised
> > > when I removed the shocks : they aren't « made 
> > > in 
> > > >>> Brazil or Mexico » as actual sold by K....R or B......M. There are 
> KONI 
> > > >>>shocks, 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> a very reliable & famous make (more expensive also). But I don't 
> know if 
> > > >Koni 
> > > >>> make them always. Summit has Koni shocks on his catalog. I give 
> you the 
> > > >>> reference (as they are the same from 57 to 65) : Front : 80 C 1229 
> Rear : 
> > > 82 
> > > >>> 1066 Date of manufacturing : 11/64 If they are always 
> manufactured, buy 
> > > them 
> > > >>>and 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> don't buy
> > > $80.00 for four : I bought 4 gaz charged absorbers (from kanter) 
> > > : 
> > > >>> after one year, one was leaking and one was jamed ! Mexico made 
> ...
> > > >>> >>Follow-up from Dietmar:
> > > >>> >>>You are right- KONI is the worlds best qualitiy shock 
> absorbers for 
> > > >street 
> > > >>>and 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >>>race cars. They will serve You a 100 000 miles without any 
> complain. I 
> > > >use 
> > > >>>them 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >>>on my IMP 60 so this havy car dont swim nor incline in the 
> curve, I use 
> > > >>>KONI 
> > > >>>an 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> >>>all sports car I have.
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> >>>---
> > > >>> >>>
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> So I sent an email to Koni North America, inquiring about the 
> above 
> > > >mentioned 
> > > >>>
> > > part numbers. Here is the reply:
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> From: "Mclaughlin, Paul - ITT Motion Technologies"
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Haven't had those part#'s for years... I think u have to buy 50 
> cars sets 
> > > >>each 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> to get run made in
> > > Holland.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Paul McLaughlin
> > > >>> Koni Shock Absorbers
> > > >>> ITT Corporation
> > > >>> Racing Technical Sales Rep.
> > > >>> 1961A International Way
> > > >>> Hebron, Ky. 41048
> > > >>> 800-922-2616 option 6
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> ---
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I checked on prices of Koni shocks. They are much more than the 
> KYBs - for 
> > > >>> example, on Koni's website, a pair of front shocks for a 1970 
> Dodge 
> > > >>Challenger 
> > > >>
> > > >>> lists for $320/pair (online price, $240) and the rear pair list 
> for $380 
> > > >>>(online 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> price, $285). And they do go for upwards of $500/pair in some 
> cases.
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> To make the minimum order, I think it would be difficult to 
> convince a total 
> > > >>>of 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> 50 people worldwide, between both 300
> > > clubs, the Imperial Club, both 
> > > >>Christine 
> > > >>
> > > >>> clubs, and all the members of the Forwardlook list, to drop $600 
> on a set 
> > > of 
> > > >>> Koni shocks, when there are discussions of the KYBs being far too 
> expensive 
> > > >>at 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> over $100/set . . . and I wouldn't drive another one of these cars 
> without 
> > > >at 
> > > >>> least KYBs on it. The difference, to you who don't know, is like 
> AM radio 
> > > >>> versus satellite radio. 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> I personally would buy at least 2 sets of the Konis, after 
> experiencing the 
> > > >>> profound
> > > difference of KYBs, and knowing the Konis are another quantum leap 
> > > >>> forward - I've only run them 65,000 miles on one car I've owned (a 
> '62 
> > > >Morgan 
> > > >>> +4) and was very impressed. One important and interesting feature 
> of the 
> > > >>>Konis, 
> > > >>>
> > > >>> is that they are adjustable for firmness/softness in their 
> rebound action. 
> > > >>> http://www.koni-na.com/comp.cfm
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Cheers,
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> John Spiers
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> ________________________________
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> There are some H.D. choices out there. Not many cheap one though.
> > > >>> 
> > > 
> >>>http://www.amazon.com/Bilstein-Heavy-Duty-Shock-Absorber/dp/B001HIAMWU/ref=au_pf_pfg_s?ie=UTF8&Model=300%7C2489&n=15684181&s=automotive&Make=Chr
> ysler%7C39&Year=1970%7C1970&newCar=1&carId=001
> > > >>>
> > > >>>1
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> Bill Huff
> > > >>> 
> > > >>> At 7/21/201111:58 AM, Michael Moore wrote:
> > > >>> >I installed those on my 300H and was grateful to get them.
> > > >>> >I wish they were stiffer though.
> > > >>> >Its almost as though there are no shocks on the car, but insofar 
> as 
> > > >>> >I know, that's all thats available.I wish Koni made a set to fit.
> > > >>> >Mike
> > > Moore
> > > >>> >300H
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> >On Jul 21, 2011, at 8:41 AM, Tony Bevacqua wrote:
> > > >>> >
> > > >>> > > KYB shocks. KG4507 and KG 5511 are the correct ones.
> > > I just made a
> > > >>> > > purchase for my 57 (shocks are correct for 1957 to 1964, I 
> believe).
> > > >>> > > $116.32 for the 4 shocks, plus handling, etc.
> > > >>> > > Tony
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > >>> > > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On
> > > >>> > > Behalf Of Marshall Larson
> > > >>> > >
> > > Sent: Thursday, July 21, 2011 8:26 AM
> > > >>> > > To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >>> >
> > > > Subject: [Chrysler300] Shocks.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > Any suggestions for an appropriate brand and model of shocks 
> for a G. I
> > > >>> > > don't need anything exotic, just proper ride and to deal with 
> the 
> > > radials
> > > >>> > > that are on the car. All suggestions appreciated.
> > > >>> > >
> > > >>> > > MN Marshall
> > > >>> > >
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