Re: [Chrysler300] Bias Tires and Longevity

["Gloria Moon" <agmoon@xxxxxxxxx>]

Mitchum was well known with his red 300E convertible while living on the 
Eastern Shore of MD.  We missed saving it from the junkman by a few days. 
Someone did pop the engine out though.
A&G Moon



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Michael Moore" <mmoore8425@xxxxxxx>
To: "C Bilter" <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Ryan Hill'" <ryan_hillc300@xxxxxxxxxxx>; <chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Bias Tires and Longevity


I absolutely agree with that.
Several years ago a friend called me with a set of 760-15 Bluestreaks for my 
H.
They were only  40 years old!

 I was tempted to buy them just for show, but the work of changing them out 
to drive on the highway (I don't trailer) wasn't something I wanted to do.


Interesting story about them-the man who sold them to me, a federal agent I 
was working with at the time, was the son of a man who sold Chryslers in 
Maryland (I think)  back in the 50's and 60's. His dad sold cars to the 
Flock brothers, Robert Mitchum, and the New Jersey State Troopers (State 
Police) among others. He said Robert Mitchum had a number of letter cars on 
his horse ranch.

When the Flocks ot the New Jersey Police bought cars, the  stock Blues 
Streaks had to be removed and were replaced with different and more 
businesslike  Bluestreaks (I have one)  which had serial numbers burned into 
the inner sidewall.
I do not know what that was about.

 Anyway, his father hung onto the stock Bluestreak takeoffs and  stored in 
the basement laundry room at home. When the dad passed away, and shortly 
later the Mom passed away, my friend took some of the Bluestreaks out to his 
farm and had them mounted on his 4 wheel farm trailers.
He  thought they'd last a long time.

The last set did find a home in our club though.
  Mike Moore

On Sep 2, 2011, at 3:35 PM, C Bilter wrote:

> Not to start any further controversies or to bloviate about tires, but I 
> agree it would be a waste of money to replace like new 6 or even 10 year 
> old tires on a collector car that have been properly maintained and where 
> the vehicle or tire has been stored in a garage especially if climate 
> controlled.  The guidelines probably have more to do with litigation and 
> are designed for average drivers with “daily driver” vehicles many of whom 
> don’t keep their tires properly inflated and probably pay more attention 
> to their cell phone than their driving anyway.  I actually have 28 year 
> old tires that I bought new on one car that have been maintained and look 
> like brand new (on the outside), and they were premium Vogue tires back 
> when that brand was highly respected and not the junk that passes under 
> the Vogue brand now.  I have driven on them this year still, but not far, 
> not fast, and not on the highway.  Yep, they might just go flat sitting in 
> the garage which is a minor inconvenience at best, but out on the 
> ighway  – you couldn’t pay me to use them.  I think it is like working 
> under a 300 with only a floor jack and no jack stands.  Been there, done 
> that.  Do at your own risk.
>
> 300ly,
> Carl
> From: Michael Moore [mailto:mmoore8425@xxxxxxx]
> Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 3:46 PM
> To: C Bilter
> Cc: 'Ryan Hill'; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Bias Tires and Longevity
>
> Ryan,
> I have seen folks back away from saying any tires are good past 6 years or 
> at the most 10 years. People get on the safety soapbox and you'll soon 
> feel gulty!
>  For me, its a waste of money to replace perfectly good looking unworn 
> tires with low miles because they're 6 years old!
>
> So I tracked down and finally got an honest to God tire engineer at the 
> head office in the US for Michelin, and was able to have a good discussion 
> with him about it. He made me stop using the word "unsafe". He said that 
> old tires were not unsafe, they would just go flat and I should not scare 
> people. He said how long a tire can last was a function of how it was 
> stored. In my case, in a cool garage outside of sunlight was perfect. He 
> said if he was going to drive tires past 10 years, he'd have  a tire 
> broken down and inspect the INSIDE of the carcass  for cracking, assuming 
> the outside is ok. Also, I am a conservative driver. (I am no longer 25 
> driving my 300H at 135 mph on I 20! )
>
> So, I took one of my like new 12 year old tires off of my TR3, had it 
> broken down and inspected, replaced it and drove the car from Morgan Hill, 
> Ca to Lake Tahoe and back, and drove the tires for  another 2 years. I 
> finally replaced them in order to put the correct sized tires on the car.
> Mike Moore
> 300H
> On Sep 2, 2011, at 12:18 PM, C Bilter wrote:
>
>
>
> Hi Ryan-
>
> Not sure how many have responded to you off-server, but no one responded
> on-server yet. In my opinion, unless your bias ply tires have been
> "hermetically sealed in the executive washroom at Funk & Wagnalls" they 
> are
> not safe, at least on the highway. Rubber breaks down from exposure to the
> air, and deterioration is accelerated by sun (UV rays) and temperature.
> They can and will deteriorate from the inside when mounted as well. When
> sitting for long periods, bias ply tires will "flat spot" and the rubber
> gets hard as a rock. Radials have the added problem of steel belts
> corroding, and if they blow the steel belts can also inflict further 
> damage
> to an already potential catastrophic outcome.
>
> Some folks say tires used to be better made in the 60s/70s/80s. That is
> anecdotal. From a technological perspective, modern radial tires are far
> better engineered and safer especially at higher speeds. Just get a high
> quality, name brand tire. Better safe than sorry.
>
> 300ly,
>
> Carl Bilter
>
> _____
>
> From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
> Behalf Of Ryan Hill
> Sent: Thursday, September 01, 2011 5:35 PM
> To: Ryan Hill
> Subject: [Chrysler300] Bias Tires and Longevity
>
> There has been a lot of talk, on and off this listserve, about radial 
> tires
> and expiration dates, safety, and performance in the past couple of years.
> Out of curiosity, does anyone know if bias ply tires are any more durable 
> in
> terms of age than a radial?
>
> I ask because I have a beautiful looking set of Uniroyal H78-14 on my 1965
> 300 that I bought for my first 300 back in 1987 or so. They have low 
> milage
> but have been mounted on my cars while in storage since about 1990. I had
> not planned to drive very far on them, given they're 24 years old, but
> wonder if they deteriorate in the same manner radials do? How unsafe are
> they?
>
> My father pulled a classic boat around on some bias ply truck tires from 
> the
> early 60's for the better part of 30 years without failure.
>
> Ryan Hill
>
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