Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
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Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
- From: Keith Boonstra <kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 06 Mar 2013 14:03:04 -0500
It doesn't actually have to be two different kinds of lube, according to
the manual. It's just that the steering box is separated into two
housings that are sealed from each other. The service manual says you
can typically use Type A in the worm housing instead of 5W20 oil, but in
any case it will not be mixed with the hydraulic Type A in the pump,
hoses, steering box gear housing.
Keith Boonstra
-
On 3/6/2013 12:25 PM, Lettercars@xxxxxxx wrote:
> All:
> Just for what it is worth----not too much probably---I remember when
> working at Chrysler in the early '60s that the 1958 and up gear was
> referred to as the "shorty" gear. No, I don't remember the earlier
> one being referred to as the "longy"!! I never knew the pre '58 gear
> took two types of lube. Guess my 300C gear always behaved itself.
> 300ly
> Gil Cunningham
> Engr. @ Chrysler 1963-82
> In a message dated 3/5/2013 5:47:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:
>
>
> From memory there are TWO DIFFERENT OILS USED in pre 1958 300
> steering boxes - re the 2nd of my 300C boxes I got rebuilt, I even
> remember putting the oil in top half before it/box put back in car
> - if you were careful, it did not run out the top of box as you
> slide it back thru opening in firewall - the top half oil WAS
> DEFINITELY NOT TRANS/RED TYPE OIL!!?
>
> The Chrysler box fitted from 1958 onwards - 300D - was later ONE
> OIL ONLY TYPE - I think I am correct, and this 300D and later 300s
> box certainly only used one oil throughout,
>
> Christopher in Australia
>
>
>
>
> From: rixpac@xxxxxxx
> To: kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx; thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 14:18:04 -0700
>
>
>
>
> I am familiar with the Chrysler Coxial type power steering. 1951
> to 1958. I do not remember the gear section requiring different
> oil. The hydraulic oil returns from the gear housing. Would this
> not contaminate both? Granted it has been decades since my last
> hands on.
>
>
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 3 Mar 2013 02:14:22 -0500
> From: kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> To: thelastbestgenius@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> CC: rixpac@xxxxxxx; rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx; chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
>
> Yes, this is a 300C.
>
> Keith Boonstra
>
> -
>
> On 3/3/2013 12:22 AM, christopher beilby wrote:
>
>
>
>
> I have not been reading many posts on the site lately - too many
> cars and not enough brains/time - but pre 1958 300 power steering
> boxes I think had upper part with non red oil, but then after '58
> new box was/is way simpler, and only used red oil in all ?!
>
> Is the box here in a 300C - 1957 - as if it is, it is not the
> later simpler box used for many later 300s/Mopars?! And will
> havetwo oil types ??!
>
> Christopher in Australia - autumn just began here, 1st last few
> nights are already like we might get a cold winter - hope not -
> gas prices about 160 c a litre for low octane, higher add another
> 12-15cents - ouch
>
>
> > To: kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx; rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > CC: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > From: rixpac@xxxxxxx
> > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 21:53:24 -0700
> > Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
> >
> >
> > I have rebuilt, resealed and modified to firm feel, the Chrysler
> power steering boxes. There is not two different oils in the
> system. Seal kits do not come with rusty snap rings.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > To: rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > CC: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > From: kboonstra@xxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Sat, 2 Mar 2013 23:07:47 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Bob,
> >
> > Fact is, I don't have my service manual here at home, and it's
> been well
> > over a year since I studied the PS section of the book. But the oil
> > leaking out of that joint looks more the color of engine oil
> rather than
> > red, and it was the folks at S&G who told me that the upper
> section of
> > the box is separated from the PS fluid filled lower section and
> contains
> > a "gear oil".
> >
> > I'm rather at a loss to be positive about this info until I get
> a gander
> > at my manual. Best solution in the world will be if we find you are
> > correct and I can cure it with some Lucas PS leak stopper.
> >
> > Keith
> >
> > -
> > On 3/2/2013 7:18 PM, Bob Jasinski wrote:
> > >
> > > Keith,
> > >
> > > Just out of curiosity, how could a power steering box leak
> gear oil, not
> > > power steering fluid? Where is gear oil used in a 300C other
> than the
> > > differential or a manual trans or manual steering box (if so
> > > equipped)? You
> > > have power steering in your C, right?
> > >
> > > Bob J
> > >
> > > From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > ] On
> > > Behalf Of Keith Boonstra
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 02, 2013 10:49 AM
> > > To: Richard Osborne
> > > Cc: Brandt Jimerson; Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Chrysler power steering box
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm sure Steer and Gear is a fine company trying to do a very
> good job,
> > > but they left me in a bit of a quandary I still haven't sorted
> my way
> > > out of. A couple years ago I had my C down to the frame. And even
> > > though there was nothing wrong with the steering box, I
> thought it would
> > > be smart to send it out to be rebuilt while it was easy to
> R&R. Seemed
> > > smart anyway.
> > >
> > > I got it back looking all fresh and brand new from Steer and
> Gear, put
> > > it back on the frame, and went about building the whole car -
> including
> > > the front clip - around it. Well; lo and behold, the dang
> thing started
> > > leaking gear oil - not PS fluid - at a rate of three or four
> drips a day
> > > from the joint between the upper and lower sections of the
> box. It's
> > > still dripping every day, and it will until it finally runs
> out of gear
> > > oil - or we pull it back out and do the rebuild over. The
> gasket at
> > > that joint cannot be replaced without taking the box out of
> the car.
> > >
> > > This is a real PIA job that shouldn't have had to happen. I so
> don't
> > > even want to find out how hard it is to pull the steering
> column and
> > > snake the steering box out between the engine and the inner fender
> > > without doing any body damage. The book says it's possible,
> but can I
> > > really do that without scratching paint anywhere at all?
> > >
> > > I have told S&G about it and to their credit they are at least
> mildly
> > > sympathetic. They said, "No problem. Just ship it back and
> we'll do the
> > > job over". Easily said. I asked if they would cover my R&R
> cost, and
> > > they said they would not. They said they would do a second one
> free for
> > > me if I ever needed it, but they won't help me out on this
> R&R. And why
> > > would I want to send a second one in for a rebuild after this
> experience.
> > >
> > > In the meantime I'm just procrastinating a job I'm going to hate,
> > > knowing full well I'll wreck the box if I don't fix it before
> it runs
> > > out of gear oil. I wish someone would have been there at the
> time to
> > > tell me to just clean up the box, and don't mess with
> something that
> > > ain't broke.
> > >
> > > Has anyone on the forum had the experience of removing the
> steering box
> > > from a '57 or '58 with the engine in and the front clip on?
> How bad is
> > > it? Tell me it's not going to be as tough as it seems.
> > >
> > > Class? Anyone?
> > >
> > > Thanks.
> > > Keith Boonstra
> > >
> > > -
> > > On 3/2/2013 9:50 AM, Richard Osborne wrote:
> > > > Hi Brandt,
> > > >
> > > > Send it to Steer and Gear. They will rebuild it. They can
> even give you
> > > options as to the "feel" you get when driving. They are life
> long Mopar
> > > people and will treat you right. They did my G as well as a
> bunch of other
> > > cars for me.
> > > >
> > > > http://www.steerandgear.com/index.html
> > > >
> > > > Best regards,
> > > >
> > > > Richard Osborne
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Mar 1, 2013, at 10:06 PM, Brandt Jimerson
> brandt300g@xxxxxxxxx
> > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Hello to all in 300sville!!
> > > >>
> > > >> Well Melissa would be pretty nice if it weren't for a
> severe power
> > > steering box leak. I found a 1961 Chrysler Newport power
> steering box on
> > > line but I don't know if it will work for my G. Is it better
> to take apart
> > > what I have and just replace the seal(s) or do I need a whole
> new box!? I
> > > know Timo T., from Riverside, Ca., sells them but I don't know
> his number.
> > > The box for the '61 Newport that I came across on line is $585
> with a $300
> > > core deposit. Someone please give me a 'shoutback' and let me
> know and
> > > thank
> > > you kindly in advance!!
> > > >>
> > > >> Sincerely & 300ly, Brandt H J with a leaky G.
> > > >>
> > > >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
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