Re: [Chrysler300] Tires

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 8:08 PM, Ray Jones <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Just a few observations from both my career as a Master Auto Tech and my own cars.

Old tires will hold up. Not to say they are safe at highway speeds, but all my tires that are older than say 20 years or so are just fine.
These were bought as top of the line tires as I would re shoe a car and then the newer ones would fail with little use.

Newer ones seem to have rubber compound problems, They ALL have exploded on the cars and just in storage. Just let loose and leave a gaping hole.

Even my 1990 Plymouth Voyager which had a new untouched spare exploded just hanging there. I had a flat and let it down and had shredded steel and nylon sticking out.

I have a dozen or so here on rims that exploded just sitting. Older ones are fine...

Ray in Springtime Mena. Yea!

On Thu, Mar 20, 2014 at 6:42 PM, Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx> wrote:

I’m a retired mechanical engineer, previously charged with maintaining and operating old equipment and plants. I have found out that; properly designed and maintained; mechanical equipment, tires and human bodies can run a long time.

Before that I repaired tires in a service station in the 50’s when most tires wore out before they aged out. The good and bad brands were pretty obvious. I ran 4-ply Nylon Firestone 500’s on my cars then and never had a problem, other than flat-spotting in the winter. I recall reports that Greyhound buses never had problems with their Michelin radials. And truckers get long wear from their tires. It was common practice to recap tires in those days as some carcasses had good remaining life after the tread was worn down.

With regard current tires, it seems unlikely any current tire co. employee will be able to deliver a straight answer due to liability issues. And, there certainly is no one good answer on tire life, so re-tiring (sorry) tires after seven years is probably not a bad practice.

Time, temperature, use, sunlight and ozone exposure, original compounding, original build quality, balance, off-duty storage methods and the number of potholes traversed all impact tire life. We have all heard of and experienced tires that seem to last forever and others that go early for no obvious reason. Hard compounds wear longer, soft compounds may be better on ice and slick roads. Racers know that and adjust tire compound to conditions.

I particularly appreciate feedback from fellow Chrysler 300 owners on performance of specific brands and models as well as service after the sale by the various vendors. I’m repeating the continued good service of a (probably) 24-year old set of tube-type Remington L78x15’s “Poly 4” (Canadian mfr., I believe) on our ’55 C-300. They are low mileage, stored inside, still knee-deep in rubber and don’t seem to flat spot or crack. Sidewalls and tread area re still impressionable/soft/pliable. Feel free to tell me “I told you so” at some point in the future. Disclaimer—this is my own experience and outlook—and is not recommended practice).

C300K’ly,

Rich Barber

Brentwood, CA

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Edward Mills Antique Tractors
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2014 3:41 PM
To: Ronald Kurtz; Intl 300
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Tires

Good question - but I don't know that anyone knows a definitive answer - otherwise there would be a consensus that does not seem to exist. I WOULD BE INTERESTED IN OTHER OPINIONS, but here's my 2 cents worth.

Some small relatively uniformly distributed checking MAY be a normal sign of age and not to worry - thats what I was told by a dealer about my then 4 yr old Michelin Hydroedge tires about 10 years ago. I ran them another year and replaced them when the edges of the tread started showing little stress marks. As to tread, they would have easily gone another 40k miles but I felt tread compound had aged / hardened to the point I was uncomfortable.

Second experience - As to the then 4 yr old OE Continentals on my 2005 F250 that started throwing small chunks of rubber, the rubber tread compound was distinctly hard. (Maybe that is normal for truck tires, but the Goodyears, Michelins, and even Continentals on new vehicles seemed much "softer" to my fingernail.)

I think the hardness of the rubber was the real problem. Once upon a time I did race tires and we had a durometer - an instrument with a small moveable point that measures rubber hardness. I got used to doing a crude fingernail test on my street tires just as an exercise - if you can leave an imprint or dent on the edge of a tread block, however brief with a strong fingernail push on corner of tread blocks, I considered them "good" - the longer the dent stays visible, the softer the tread compound.

In the case of my Continentals - they were so hard that I could not dent the rubber. Add to that the fronts were chunking more severely and I assume (possibly incorrectly) that the squirm of steering maneuvering a trailer combined with the hard rubber contributed to the problem. The Continental truck tires on front of the trailer eventually did the same thing but that took about 8 years - ditto tread hardness.

One of the sure signs of a problem is a set of well defined and local cracks - typically in the sidewall at the bottom of a parked tire - the result of sitting in one place for a long time, aggravated by low air pressure and sunlight / heat. Personally I would not trust that tire at speed.

Also I would look for more defined individual cracks sometimes seen in the bottom of the tread grooves. Or I would look for any set of more distinct cracks compared to a background of relatively uniform small checking pattern. To me those seem to be obvious signs of age - BUT does that indicate they are unsafe??????

Any engineers currently working in the tire industry - please respond.

Ed

On 3/20/2014 12:12 PM, Ronald Kurtz wrote:

Hello, everyone:

I enjoyed the recent correspondence on tires for ours cars. After reading through this, a question came to mind since these tires could be on some of these cars for years (mine included). What are the signs one needs to look for the to determine if a tire has outlived its useful life and could fail? I was told some time ago small cracks in the sidewall was something to look for.

Best,

Ron Kurtz

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