RE: [Chrysler300] PP_1 Toreador Red 1960 300F

["'Rich Barber' c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi, Tomas:

 

I just completed repainting my 1964 300K convertible with the new
water-based paint required in CA.  I'm not satisfied that the results of the
process I used will be an exact match to the club color standard.  The
standard seems to be a set of original 4" X 4" steel squares from Chrysler
with the original primer and paint applied.  Gil Cunningham, Chief Judge,
retains these.

 

This is the process I used:

I borrowed a large vinyl color page of color T-Roman Red Poly--from a 1964
Chrysler salesman's book.

My painter placed a color scanner on the sheet and his computer compared it
to similar colors stored in his computer using ColorNet, a du Pont software
program.  It came up with the closest match being Dark Firethorn-a 1976 GM
color offered across the line.  I don't think the scanner scans for
iridescent/"poly"/metalflake content and Firethorn contained coarse
aluminum.  My sample page indicated low poly content and of much finer grade
so I asked the painter to substitute fine aluminum for the coarse and reduce
the quantity of the metal powder.  He changed to fine aluminum but failed to
cut the quantity-it still looks OK.  In retrospect, I would have needed to
help him with the math as the original coarse aluminum component was 18% of
total volume.

 

I had the painter shoot some samples on special 4"X6" sample cards and we
compared them to the sample page and it appeared the match was imperfect,
but OK.  At his point, a skilled painter with great color discernment might
have engaged in further meddling with the formula to come closer to the
sample page.  Ideally, each modification to the base formula would be
compared to the sample page (or, better yet, to the club standard) until any
difference was not discernable.  Time and space make this alternative
unfeasible for most of us.  Differences in gloss, lighting angle, poly
content & etc. make eyeball comparisons difficult, especially to we males
who are somewhat known for our color-blindness. 

 

My friend, the K-Maniac, actually has a door from a '64 Chrysler 300K with
original faded and oxidized TT  paint.  Chris lent me the door and, with a
little effort, the oxidized layer was removed with a mildly aggressive
polish to reveal the beautiful Roman Red Poly below.  Comparisons of the
polished door paint, the sales manual color page and the 4x6 sample card
show that each is slightly different.  On the attached photo, the upper RH
is the door, the lower RH is the sample sheet and the LH is the sample card
from the painter.  A picture of the finished hood and fender is also
attached.  To me, the sample card and end product could be a little darker
to match the polished area on the old door, but I am very happy with the
color as I'm sure those folks that bought any GM product in Firethorn Red in
1976 were.  Someday, we shall see how the International Club judges' trained
eyes discern the attempt at duplicating the 50-year-old baked enamel (?)
formula.

 

It seems entirely possible that some paint color labs have gone through this
process.  The Auto Color Library seems to offer any color in any type of
paint.  See:
http://www.tcpglobal.com/aclchip.aspx?image=1964-Chrysler-pg01.jpg  At that
site, 1964 Chrysler Roman Red Poly (Ditzler 71393) and 1976-77 Oldsmobile
Firethorn Poly (Ditzler 2811) look to be the same, but our computer monitors
and color printers cannot be depended on to make a close match.  A
comparison of the tinting used to achieve those two colors in the original
enamel or acrylic would be interesting.

 

I note at the Auto Color Library site that they show two different paint
colors for code PP-1 for '60 Chryslers.  For Chryslers the PP-1 color is
Toreador Red Poly.  For Imperials, PP-1 is Regal Red and quite a bit
different.  Be careful to try and match the Chrysler color, only.

 

You may be able to find untouched and unfaded places on your car.  Those
would be good places to use as references for a color scanner if you have
that technology available to you.  Underneath/behind the power brake booster
can be a good place if the car has been repainted under the hood and in the
trunk.

 

It would be helpful to you to have a member with a '60 Chrysler in original
Toreador Red Poly to take it to a friendly paint shop and have an unfaded
section of it scanned and a suggested equivalent defined.  That would give
your painter a place to start.

 

The components and tints used to make my Firethorn included (in descending
order of quantity) Binder1, Viscosity Balancer, Fine Aluminum, Maroon, Red
Oxide, White LS, Dark Violet (!), Black LS, Brightness Adjuster and Orange
Yellow.  

 

C-300-K'ly,

Rich Barber

Brentwood CA

 

From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
Sent: Sunday, May 18, 2014 11:06 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [Chrysler300] PP_1 Toreador Red 1960 300F

 

  

 

 

Hi 
Is there anyone that have painted with modern paint? I will paint my 1960
Chrysler 300 F convertible, is there anyone who painted with modern color
and have the correct color code to a modern fabricating(DuPont, Glassurit or
similar company), my paint shop find no translation into modern color. my
car has this color,  PP-1 Toreador Red, 
I am grateful if anyone can help me with this.

 

 

 

Tomas Turovaara

Kengisgatan 33

981 33 Kiruna

Sweden

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