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From: rixpac@xxxxxxx To: c300@xxxxxxx; sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx; cbilter@xxxxxxxxx; jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx; jamie.hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx CC: chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] J-K Ram Manual Choke Chokes Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 19:42:30 -0600 12 Years ago I was commissioned to restore an engine compartment of a Cinnamon 300G stick 3 speed and it utilized the dual cable single knob manual choke.
To: sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx; cbilter@xxxxxxxxx; jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx; Jamie.Hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx CC: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx From: Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:25:45 -0700 Subject: [Chrysler300] J-K Ram Manual Choke Chokes
Many will know this but it is interesting, I think. There is a single choke knob on the LHS of the J&K dash. Pulling that knob closes both chokes simultaneously and always works—just like in my first car—a ’40 Ford. In that car, I had to use a clothes pin to keep the choke partially closed in coldest Iowa weather.
In the ram K convertible, the choke knob takes the place of the top switch in the dash causing the top switch to be moved down into a new hole in the lower portion of the dash. The rest of the story: In the case of Ram J or K coupes, the choke knob displaced the rear-window defogger switch and the defogger was shown as not available with the ram engine package. There was an unused spot on the RHS of the steering column but for some reason (Loom-length?) Chrysler just made the defogger not available on ram coupes making for a strange-looking exception for the simple defogger. Seems like they could have used the same new hole as used for the convertible top switch. K fans will appreciate this list of common ’64 Chrysler options and their wholesale and retail prices. See: http://www.jholst.net/tech-manual/option-price.pdf Some accessories were not available from the factory and were dealer-installed, including the outside rear-view mirror and possibly the emergency flasher. Anyone ever seen a factory-looking emergency flasher on a ’64 Chrysler? Police and taxi options, the 15” wheel options, trailer-towing package, street-hemi engine, unusual rear-end ratios, spare tire covers for 300’s and a few others are notably missing from the referenced list but were apparently available to the knowledgeable buyer and salesman. Those were the days, my friends. C300K’ly, Rich Barber Brentwood CA (Hot & Dry) Down to one—the ’64 300K Ram Convertible with lovely a/c. From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna F Noia sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:03 PM To: C Bilter; John Grady; 'Fern Rivard'; Jamie Hyde Cc: 'Chrysler 300 List' Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's Carl That will help. When you confirm where the information is , Please forward to me so I can see just what the manual pull off is. It will/should be easier than the heated chokes stoves and their problems. Thanks again for the insight. Best Regards, Stephen A. Noia 1-408-210-4736 cell On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:05 PM, C Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx <mailto:cbilter@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Yes, the J and Ram K came with a manual dual choke pulloff cable. Jamie Hyde found a suitable replacement but I can’t locate his email right now. Carl Bilter From: mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:55 PM To: John Grady <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Fern Rivard' <mailto:crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: 'Chrysler 300 List' <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's John, & All Did the "J & K" come with a manual choke pull as mentioned above as a step forward from the choke springs releasing the chokes? So the dual pull off set up for the 426 Wedge 2x4 should work, and is functionally correct? Correct? If so, where are these available from? Best Regards, Stephen A. Noia 1-408-210-4736 cell On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:59 AM, "'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Is that one of the black plastic covered electric ones that fits on carb itself, up high? Often thought of that..Edelbrock sells a kit for their AFB, might fit ram carb..convert to electric choke. but not sure . And non stock look..I used that kit on a ~78 0r 77 360 that had carb thermostat spring in manifold (stock) but was changed to air gap manifold, and old way was not possible. It means thermo coil is no longer in Manifold which is ok but might hit ram air cleaners and non stock looking. I do not know, ..but some parts from that and from 426 hemi , choke cover with heat tube inlet, fit ok on WCFB on 392. (those are always broken off or cracked at heat tube) I do not remember details of that but did do it on 392 From: Fern Rivard [mailto:crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 5:54 PM To: jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Anna F Noia Cc: Chrysler 300 List Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's Importance: High Could one not use the electric chokes Federal Mogul part # 170P-1313? Fern From: mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Monday, July 13, 2015 2:44 PM To: Anna F Noia <mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> Cc: Chrysler 300 List <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's I would clean up and use . Nothing goes wrong except crud in it and rust to myknowledge . You will never get NOS ones. . I tried .. Mine were missing totally. What goes wrong is pots rust out . Why we made them of stainless . Check floor of manifold .. It can melt into exhaust = vaccuum leak too . I filled one once with About 1/4" of epoxy 25 years ago .. From exhaust side . Seemed ok . There some talk , with George I think about putting washers in there ( elbow ends) to lower heat , it is on high side . We are not expecting fast warm up on 10 degree days any more from a 300f . In fact blocking them might make sense in California say . Yes , Max wedge choke cables . Like 300 J and K had . I had J anf had many F . Hardly ever touched J choke , but fought idle lope rich carbs , uneven pull off , stall etc on F 's . J set up is better , day to day . But caveat .. I never personally did that as dual choke pull was even more ra re than carb thermo coils . Good luck .. Sent from my iPhone On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Anna F Noia <sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: John & All So far so Good, several options to consider. the dual cable may be the easiest if mechanical is in the cards. When you say 426 SS, you are refering to the 426 Max-wedge 2X4 short short Ram's, correct? I'd prefer the automatic operation, stock or viable substitute. I also have the old unit(s), very dirty (maybe corroded) but may be sevicable. Anyway, does a "real" one still exist? Somewhere? If not a real one, which of the wrong ones fits the closest to original? I do not want to modify the manifold, I have the new "Pots" and gaskets but still need the gismo's/spring thing that opens the choke plate. All your help so far is GREATLY appreciated. Best Regards, Stephen A. Noia 1-408-210-4736 cell On Monday, July 13, 2015 11:31 AM, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Hi Steve ... We have those still .. SS wells for ram choke with clamp plate , but did not do gaskets -- you can get those within club . I made them with JY Chouinard selling them . He has become very busy with his work . Same with heater switch cams or rebuilds . Contact Keith Simons here for them . This info was in Newsflight for past 3-4 years ? Maybe we need to update info. Also made kits for restoring or fix 57-58 door handles and springs , a spring for car radio to stop slipping tuning ( a bear to put in) , working now on safety catch for 57-59 hoods . Not well organized ---it is a hobby not a business . The choke coil is not reproduced.. But old ones can be cleaned up . They look bad but work ok if clean . Do not try to turn on mount to adjust it . I think i once adapted one from a 318 dodge 70's era truck by changing arm from choke coil . Slant six ones too , 60's , they do not" Fit" but can be cobbled up . Frankly F/G ram chokes never work right .. One comes off before the other . Why it went away in 62 . Warm up cycle in cold weather d icey . But back in j,k but with manual pulloff . I understand the 426 SS cars dual choke cable being repro'd fits . Worth thinking about .. John grady On Monday, July 13, 2015, Anna F Noia sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Bob, A year or two ago, I purchased the gaskets for the choke pots from you, and the choke wells for the Ram from a "French" named fellow in Canada (or so I recall?). Anyway, my question to all, are the "Chokes" that are required for the Ram manifolds still available? If so where? and what part number? Is there a unit that will work? Maybe from a different year? Can anyone help? Or at least suggest a solution, or substitute unit. Thanks to all in advance. Best Regards, Stephen A. Noia 1-408-210-4736 cell On Monday, July 13, 2015 11:31 AM, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Hi Steve ... We have those still .. SS wells for ram choke with clamp plate , but did not do gaskets -- you can get those within club . I made them with JY Chouinard selling them . He has become very busy with his work . Same with heater switch cams or rebuilds . Contact Keith Simons here for them . This info was in Newsflight for past 3-4 years ? Maybe we need to update info. Also made kits for restoring or fix 57-58 door handles and springs , a spring for car radio to stop slipping tuning ( a bear to put in) , working now on safety catch for 57-59 hoods . Not well organized ---it is a hobby not a business . The choke coil is not reproduced.. But old ones can be cleaned up . They look bad but work ok if clean . Do not try to turn on mount to adjust it . I think i once adapted one from a 318 dodge 70's era truck by changing arm from choke coil . Slant six ones too , 60's , they do not" Fit" but can be cobbled up . Frankly F/G ram chokes never work right .. One comes off before the other . Why it went away in 62 . Warm up cycle in cold weather dicey . But back in j,k but with manual pulloff . I understand the 426 SS cars dual choke cable being repro'd fits . Worth thinking about .. John grady On Monday, July 13, 2015, Anna F Noia wlmailhtml:mai lto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx <wlmailhtml:mai%20lto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote: Bob, A year or two ago, I purchased the gaskets for the choke pots from you, and the choke wells for the Ram from a "French" named fellow in Canada (or so I recall?). Anyway, my question to all, are the "Chokes" that are required for the Ram manifolds still available? If so where? and what part number? Is there a unit that will work? Maybe from a different year? Can anyone help? Or at least suggest a solution, or substitute unit. Thanks to all in advance. Best Regards, Stephen A. 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