[Chrysler300] Manual chokes on a hemi
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[Chrysler300] Manual chokes on a hemi

The '55 C-300 I recently sold came to me with two single-choke cables and
the automatic choke system completely removed and plugged off at the exhaust
manifold.   The hardware looked very professional on the carbs with some
spring-loaded tensioners and connections looking like they were designed for
it.  The hardware might even have been from a marine version hemi.  That's
the only '55 I ever saw with manual chokes and they were easy to operate.
Sometimes I would forget to unchoke a warmed up engine but in this warm CA
climate, very little choking was required at any time.  The car is now in
Illinois and might get more opportunity to run slightly choked.  The car
came to me from southern Colorado and had originally been shipped to Roswell
NM.  Hard starting may have triggered the assumed conversion to manual
chokes.  The choke heat comes from a tube imbedded in the passenger-side
exhaust manifold.  Fresh air flows into and through the tube, is heated to
near exhaust temperature and is routed via asbestos-insulated steel tubing
to the choke coil on each carb.  The air is then sucked into the carbs.  The
warmed choke coils then open the choke plate and the air continues to flow.
I understand the imbedded tube was susceptible to corrosion and failure
which would then allow exhaust gas to be brought through the tubing-choke
body system.  Early EGR!

 

C-300-less,

Rich Barber

Brentwood CA

 

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Behalf Of RICK AND DEBBIE CLAPHAM rixpac@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 6:43 PM
To: Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>; 'Anna F Noia' <sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx>; 'C
Bilter' <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>; 'John Grady' <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Fern
Rivard' <crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; 'Jamie Hyde' <jamie.hyde@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] J-K Ram Manual Choke Chokes

 

  

12 Years ago I was commissioned to restore an engine compartment of a
Cinnamon 300G stick 3 speed and it utilized the dual cable single knob
manual choke.
 

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Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2015 15:25:45 -0700
Subject: [Chrysler300] J-K Ram Manual Choke Chokes

  

Many will know this but it is interesting, I think. There is a single choke
knob on the LHS of the J&K dash. Pulling that knob closes both chokes
simultaneously and always works-just like in my first car-a '40 Ford. In
that car, I had to use a clothes pin to keep the choke partially closed in
coldest Iowa weather.

In the ram K convertible, the choke knob takes the place of the top switch
in the dash causing the top switch to be moved down into a new hole in the
lower portion of the dash. 

The rest of the story: In the case of Ram J or K coupes, the choke knob
displaced the rear-window defogger switch and the defogger was shown as not
available with the ram engine package. There was an unused spot on the RHS
of the steering column but for some reason (Loom-length?) Chrysler just made
the defogger not available on ram coupes making for a strange-looking
exception for the simple defogger. Seems like they could have used the same
new hole as used for the convertible top switch.

K fans will appreciate this list of common '64 Chrysler options and their
wholesale and retail prices. See:
http://www.jholst.net/tech-manual/option-price.pdf Some accessories were not
available from the factory and were dealer-installed, including the outside
rear-view mirror and possibly the emergency flasher. Anyone ever seen a
factory-looking emergency flasher on a '64 Chrysler? Police and taxi
options, the 15" wheel options, trailer-towing package, street-hemi engine,
unusual rear-end ratios, spare tire covers for 300's and a few others are
notably missing from the referenced list but were apparently available to
the knowledgeable buyer and salesman. Those were the days, my friends.

C300K'ly,

Rich Barber

Brentwood CA (Hot & Dry)

Down to one-the '64 300K Ram Convertible with lovely a/c.

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Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2015 2:03 PM
To: C Bilter; John Grady; 'Fern Rivard'; Jamie Hyde
Cc: 'Chrysler 300 List'
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's

Carl

That will help. When you confirm where the information is , Please forward
to me so I can see just what the manual pull off is. It will/should be
easier than the heated chokes stoves and their problems. Thanks again for
the insight. 

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell

On Tuesday, July 21, 2015 12:05 PM, C Bilter <cbilter@xxxxxxxxx
<mailto:cbilter@xxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:cbilter@xxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:cbilter@xxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Yes, the J and Ram K came with a manual dual choke pulloff cable. Jamie Hyde
found a suitable replacement but I can't locate his email right now.

Carl Bilter

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To: John Grady <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; 'Fern Rivard'
<mailto:crc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> 

Cc: 'Chrysler 300 List' <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's

John, & All

Did the "J & K" come with a manual choke pull as mentioned above as a step
forward from the choke springs releasing the chokes? So the dual pull off
set up for the 426 Wedge 2x4 should work, and is functionally correct?
Correct? If so, where are these available from?

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell

On Tuesday, July 14, 2015 8:59 AM, "'John Grady' jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>  <mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
[Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Is that one of the black plastic covered electric ones that fits on carb
itself, up high? Often thought of that..Edelbrock sells a kit for their AFB,
might fit ram carb..convert to electric choke. but not sure . And non stock
look..I used that kit on a ~78 0r 77 360 that had carb thermostat spring in
manifold (stock) but was changed to air gap manifold, and old way was not
possible. It means thermo coil is no longer in Manifold which is ok but
might hit ram air cleaners and non stock looking. I do not know, ..but some
parts from that and from 426 hemi , choke cover with heat tube inlet, fit ok
on WCFB on 392. (those are always broken off or cracked at heat tube) I do
not remember details of that but did do it on 392 

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<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> ; Anna F Noia
Cc: Chrysler 300 List
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's
Importance: High

Could one not use the electric chokes Federal Mogul part # 170P-1313?

Fern

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To: Anna F Noia <mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> 

Cc: Chrysler 300 List <mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Ram Manifold Choke Thermostat's

I would clean up and use . Nothing goes wrong except crud in it and rust to
myknowledge . You will never get NOS ones. . I tried .. Mine were missing
totally. 

What goes wrong is pots rust out . Why we made them of stainless . Check
floor of manifold .. It can melt into exhaust = vaccuum leak too . I filled
one once with About 1/4" of epoxy 25 years ago .. From exhaust side . Seemed
ok . There some talk , with George I think about putting washers in there (
elbow ends) to lower heat , it is on high side . We are not expecting fast
warm up on 10 degree days any more from a 300f . In fact blocking them might
make sense in California say . Yes , Max wedge choke cables . Like 300 J and
K had . I had J anf had many F . Hardly ever touched J choke , but fought
idle lope rich carbs , uneven pull off , stall etc on F 's . J set up is
better , day to day . But caveat .. I never personally did that as dual
choke pull was even more ra re than carb thermo coils . 

Good luck .. 

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 13, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Anna F Noia <sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

John & All

So far so Good, several options to consider. the dual cable may be the
easiest if mechanical is in the cards. When you say 426 SS, you are refering
to the 426 Max-wedge 2X4 short short Ram's, correct? I'd prefer the
automatic operation, stock or viable substitute. I also have the old
unit(s), very dirty (maybe corroded) but may be sevicable. Anyway, does a
"real" one still exist? Somewhere? If not a real one, which of the wrong
ones fits the closest to original? I do not want to modify the manifold, I
have the new "Pots" and gaskets but still need the gismo's/spring thing that
opens the choke plate. All your help so far is GREATLY appreciated.

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell

On Monday, July 13, 2015 11:31 AM, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Hi Steve ... We have those still .. SS wells for ram choke with clamp plate
, but did not do gaskets -- you can get those within club . I made them with
JY Chouinard selling them . He has become very busy with his work . 

Same with heater switch cams or rebuilds . Contact Keith Simons here for
them . This info was in Newsflight for past 3-4 years ? Maybe we need to
update info. Also made kits for restoring or fix 57-58 door handles and
springs , a spring for car radio to stop slipping tuning ( a bear to put in)
, working now on safety catch for 57-59 hoods . Not well organized ---it is
a hobby not a business . 

The choke coil is not reproduced.. But old ones can be cleaned up . They
look bad but work ok if clean . Do not try to turn on mount to adjust it . I
think i once adapted one from a 318 dodge 70's era truck by changing arm
from choke coil . Slant six ones too , 60's , they do not" Fit" but can be
cobbled up . Frankly F/G ram chokes never work right .. One comes off before
the other . Why it went away in 62 . Warm up cycle in cold weather d icey .
But back in j,k but with manual pulloff . I understand the 426 SS cars dual
choke cable being repro'd fits . Worth thinking about .. 

John grady

On Monday, July 13, 2015, Anna F Noia sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx>  <mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300]
<Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:Chrysler300-noreply@
yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Bob,

A year or two ago, I purchased the gaskets for the choke pots from you, and
the choke wells for the Ram from a "French" named fellow in Canada (or so I
recall?). Anyway, my question to all, are the "Chokes" that are required for
the Ram manifolds still available? If so where? and what part number? Is
there a unit that will work? Maybe from a different year? Can anyone help?
Or at least suggest a solution, or substitute unit. Thanks to all in
advance. 

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell

On Monday, July 13, 2015 11:31 AM, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx%20%3cmailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
<mailto:jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Hi Steve ... We have those still .. SS wells for ram choke with clamp plate
, but did not do gaskets -- you can get those within club . I made them with
JY Chouinard selling them . He has become very busy with his work . 

Same with heater switch cams or rebuilds . Contact Keith Simons here for
them . This info was in Newsflight for past 3-4 years ? Maybe we need to
update info. Also made kits for restoring or fix 57-58 door handles and
springs , a spring for car radio to stop slipping tuning ( a bear to put in)
, working now on safety catch for 57-59 hoods . Not well organized ---it is
a hobby not a business . 

The choke coil is not reproduced.. But old ones can be cleaned up . They
look bad but work ok if clean . Do not try to turn on mount to adjust it . I
think i once adapted one from a 318 dodge 70's era truck by changing arm
from choke coil . Slant six ones too , 60's , they do not" Fit" but can be
cobbled up . Frankly F/G ram chokes never work right .. One comes off before
the other . Why it went away in 62 . Warm up cycle in cold weather dicey .
But back in j,k but with manual pulloff . I understand the 426 SS cars dual
choke cable being repro'd fits . Worth thinking about .. 

John grady

On Monday, July 13, 2015, Anna F Noia wlmailhtml:mai lto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx
<wlmailhtml:mai%20lto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx> [Chrysler300]
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yahoogroups.com> <mailto:Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> > wrote:

Bob,

A year or two ago, I purchased the gaskets for the choke pots from you, and
the choke wells for the Ram from a "French" named fellow in Canada (or so I
recall?). Anyway, my question to all, are the "Chokes" that are required for
the Ram manifolds still available? If so where? and what part number? Is
there a unit that will work? Maybe from a different year? Can anyone help?
Or at least suggest a solution, or substitute unit. Thanks to all in
advance. 

Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell

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