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Re: [Chrysler300] Whoa, Nelly
- From: "John Holst jholst@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 14 Aug 2015 14:55:10 -0500
While sitting in the Medical Center lounge the other day I
found a copy of Hot Rod Magazine that addresses the proportioning valve
question on a custom setup on a 1949 Dodge Pickup build. Date: 09/15,
page 112. Thanks to the person that donates this to the general public
in the waiting room. This might be still available in the grocery store.
I looked on their site but did not find the article available yet. This
details when/how to set one up and check it out. Interesting reading for
the uninformed like me to get a feel of how they are used. Also had an
interesting article on a 1969 Dodge Daytona - original owner/original
condition that is now still running. Going to miss the Mopars on The
Mississippi due to personal reasons, hope you have fun. Keep on
trucking.
John Holst...
At 02:13 PM 8/14/2015, you wrote:
Remember there is never a difference in pressure front to rear , disc or
drum at the master , single or dual master, or remote boosted
unless it has a stepped bore . Might be some bore ratio change through
remote booster but i doubt it ( other than significant vacuum boost
itself, which rules anyway ) . So to brakes on J or K --it
looks , from brake perspective , the same as any other single master.
Ratio front to back on ram car is set by brakes , area ratio FtoB etc not
booster . Not by delays or restrictions . None of that exists to my
knowledge ..... Conjecture ? We are talking 2000 psi here . Narrowings do
nothing unless really narrow ( needle valve) . See earlier on that .
Given that ---pressure the same in front and back with correct
residual valves a manual or power dual or single would work discs or
drums or both but discs would have to come from or be sized the same as
those cars stock with 3" drum rears so braking effort ratio is
right . ( later large mopars?)--- unless engineered by say
Wilwood to work together . i personally had a lot of erratic hassle
with single channel remote booster on J ---never trusted it after . One
reason i sold car . Bad idea . 6 times more ways to go wrong .it
did go wrong about three of those ways . I know they work if you
are lucky . Your life depends on luck ? Worse than single master
obviously . Has to be .. Same single circuit problem available to punt on
you twice and lots of fairly critical adjustments = Much worse
. Plus no boost if engine stalls . Try stopping then !! I would
rather have dual circuit manual , used to it , than good luck,!!!
huge aftermarket discs will do more stopping than any 3 " drums . GM
discs are really good , that conversion really works . That is how
factory mopar ratio is set up so emergency braking locks up correct ones
first . But need correct manual pedal linkage and mechanical
ratios, or pedal WAY too hard . Cannot (!!!!!!) use power pedal ratio .
Not sure they made these cars 63 up with manual brakes ? They did
in dodges 60-61 fits Fand G . Probably H . Needs whole underdash setup ,
not just pedal arm and moving bolt does not work well . ( pushrod gets
angled-- = move master, gets into fiasco . And not sure if dual MC fits
phyisically on 63-64 ram . Why seeing Big Red in Pa was cool . Manual
brakes done right and ram for 150 mph . = smart guy ! Even if single
channel . As mentioned before , full dual police or station wagon
setup around 67- 68 worked for me . All factory ratioed . Maybe imperial
parts ..
My .02 = nothing wrong with manual brakes set up right . Many grannys had
them ! Big Red had them ! Brakes will lock up with manual , so boost
mostly a convenience ?
I have a 50 stude starlight with 354 hemi , mustang front clip and discs
, ford rear axle 8.8 drums , corvette dual master on stude
manual linkage under floor . Correct residuals external ( wilwood )
. It will put your face onto the windshield , no boost no problems
. Has needle valve on rear line ,( took some expert advice ) seems
to do little that is real . You can shut off back brakes , then they wont
lock.
As an aside , i note hot rod guys like the S10 pickup dash booster
.. Small and dual master . Never been looked at for 300 ? But out with
rams .
On the other hand stock is expected when restored . Stay under 40 , then
, toes and fingers crossed . Got that Don C ?
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 14, 2015, at 1:33 PM, 'Rich Barber'
c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Steve:
Good point on the plumbing acting as a proportioning system.
I remain convinced that â??proportioning valvesâ?? are essentially
time-delay valves. They seem to provide a calibrated variable
restriction with unknown dynamic response. Transient-flow analyses
of a hydraulic systems have probably been conducted and measurements
taken to somewhat refine the old single-line systems. Eventually,
(milliseconds?) the pressure will equalize and static elements such as
wheel-cylinder size and shoe length and material will govern.
Thatâ??s when more iron in the wider rear drums will assist in braking
when towing a trailer or on a long downhill run. I believe
over-the-counter relined brake shoes have generally lost any of these
refinements. So, the plumbing does provide a crude but somewhat
effective method of minimizing the premature lockup of rear brakes.
The plumbing and distance inherent in the tubing you described certainly
do create a similar time delay, but not adjustable. Mother MoPar
may have even built a restriction into the tee block. Additional
and variable restriction could be added by adding a â??proportional
valveâ?? to the single line to the rears.
Whatever trial-and-error method may have been implemented by the various
manufacturers, it seemed to be working as front brakes always wore out
first, barring any malfunction at the rear-wheel brakes.
I also remain convinced that many people are now alive due to the
continuous advances in braking since the early days of
externally-contracting mechanical brakes. We should remember that
Walter Percy Chrysler was an early advocate of internally-expanding
hydraulic brakes in the mid 20â??s. Henry Ford got on board,
reluctantly, in 1939.
Keep calm and 300 on,
Rich Barber
Brentwood, CA
From:
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[
mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Anna F Noia
sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]
Sent: Friday, August 14, 2015 9:13 AM
To: David
<torquechap@xxxxxxxxx>;
Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
Cc: Ronald Kurtz
<mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>; Ray Jones
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>;
Rick Vitek
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Listsaver 300 Club
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Chris Pinder
<kmaniak@xxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring -
G
Dave, Rich
The 64 300 master cylinder (MC) is a single resevior, correct. That then
supplies fluid going to and through the remote booster as a single line
to a block of sorts(?). Then three (3) lines out from the block, two go
to the front brakes, one line to both rears as a single line. The
splitting of the flow essentially acts as a proportioning valve of sorts
by reducing the brake flow/pressure to the brakes. 1/3 to each front
brake, then the 1/3 to the rears is split 1/2 to each rear brake.
I'm sure there is some physics involved but I hope you get my point.
Going to Discs would have the same affect, the only consideration is the
fluid volume required by the calipers delivered from the MC. My point is
that the remote booster does "NOT" make a disc brake conversion
impossible, just a little trickey, or is that "Trickier".
IMHO.
Best Regards,
Stephen A. Noia
1-408-210-4736 cell
On Friday, August 14, 2015 8:03 AM, David
<torquechap@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Rich,
No OEM pro portioning valve on the '64. The remote booster makes disc
brake conversions impossible. No manufacturers have been able to figure
out a workaround.
David
On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:34 AM, 'Rich Barber'
c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-
- I donâ??t believe there is a proportioning valve in our â??64 Ram K
with the 3â?? rear drums & shoes. Not that it might not be a
good idea. Anyone seen them on 300â??s before 1999? Mine get
a little grabby in a hard stop?to rear lockup. Not many hours on
the neew brakes yet.
-
- The service manual indicates 3â?? drums and shoes on all â??64
300â??s & NYâ??s. 2.5â?? rear drums on Newport only.
Length and material of lining are different. Interesting
footnote-Police car HD brakes are not self-adjusting.
-
- The remote power brake booster on ram-engined cars makes disk brake
conversion problematic.
-
- Keep calm and 300 on.
-
- Rich Barber
- Brentwood, CA.
-
- From: Anna F Noia
[mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx]
- Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 6:46 AM
- To: Ronald Kurtz
<mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>; 'Ray Jones'
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>;
'Rick Vitek'
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
- Cc: 'Listsaver 300 Club'
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring -
G
-
- Ron K.
- Remember when you add the extra stopping power with the 3" rear
brakes shoes, you will need to adjust the proportioning valve for less
stopping to the rear. I did a similar job on a Montego Cyclone, went from
2" to 2.5" shoes on the rear. I immediately had rear lock up on
hard braking. A second thought, going to 3" rears, I assume your
front are also 3", correct? Or, do you have disc brakes on the
front? I would suggest going disc's all the way round, front and rear.
The front are an easy change with several choices, all using stock
Chrysler parts. The rear also can be done using the 74 Imperial Rear disc
set up. Believe it or not, it bolts straight on to the 8.75 rear end from
the 9.25 Imperial rear. I did this on my 66 Sport Fury Convertible,
anyway Good luck with it all, any increase in "Brakes" is a
Good Thing!
- Best Regards,
- Stephen A. Noia
- 1-408-210-4736 cell
-
-
- On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:50 PM, "Ronald Kurtz
mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]"
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-
-
- Hello, all:
- I converted the rear brakes on my "Knewport" to 3-inch rear
brakes. What was needed to go from 2 1/2 inch to 3 inch drums and shoes
are support plates that that can mount 3" shoes, hardware and a
3" brake drum. Mine works fine. Three-inch support plates drop back
1/2 inch to accommodate 3" drums on the axles.
- Best,
- Ron Kurtz
- E #292
- --------------------------------------------
- On Sun, 8/9/15, 'Rich Barber'
c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
- Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring -
G
- To: "'Ray Jones'"
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>,
"'Rick Vitek'"
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
- Cc: "'Listsaver 300 Club'"
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sunday, August 9, 2015, 8:32 PM
-
- Be very
- careful to get the parts for HD brakes as the wider rear
- shoes may require different springs and nails. These may
- be included under 300, wagon or HD suspension.
- Rich in Brentwood with a 300 Ram K car having HD
- brakes standard. 3â?? wide shoes & drums vs. 2 ½â??
- on most other â??64 Chryslers. Came to me with 2 ½â?? shoes
- in the 3â?? drums. Worked OK, but tâ??warnâ??t right.
- Shoe lining material and length on different â??64â??s were
- different also, but thatâ??s too much to ask.
- From:
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- [
mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray
- Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]
- Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:10
- AM
- To: Rick Vitek
- <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
- Cc:
- Listsaver 300 Club
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ray
- Jones
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe
- retainer/hold down spring - G Have you checked your
local parts
- house?This kinda thing is readily
- available at any of the 4 parts houses here in
- Mena.These springs, pins and cups are
- generic, I believe, and fit thousands of
- cars.Even if they don't have a kit
- listed for your car, check what they have for
- fit.I just bought kits for the rear of
- my Hurst, and I'm sure the hold downs are the same as
- any I have ever installed.The kits may differ due to the
- other springs included, which may be different from model to
- model, but the shoe hold down is the same.Ray On Sun, Aug 9,
2015 at 11:05
- AM, 'Rick Vitek'
rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- wrote:
- Looking for
- the brake shoe retainer spring hardware (nail, 2 cups, coil
- spring) for a G. Don't see it listed for this
- application on internet searches. Does anyone know of a
- source? I imagine this retainer length was used on other
- applications and would be willing to get a hardware set for
- that other application.
- Thanks.
- -- Ray Jones. Y'all
- come on down an see us. Ya
- hear?
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On Friday, August 14, 2015 8:03 AM, David
<torquechap@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Hi Rich,
No OEM pro portioning valve on the '64. The remote booster makes disc
brake conversions impossible. No manufacturers have been able to figure
out a workaround.
David
On Aug 14, 2015, at 12:34 AM, 'Rich Barber'
c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-
- I donâ??t believe there is a proportioning valve in our â??64 Ram K
with the 3â?? rear drums & shoes. Not that it might not be a
good idea. Anyone seen them on 300â??s before 1999? Mine get
a little grabby in a hard stop?to rear lockup.. Not many hours on
the new brakes yet.
-
- The service manual indicates 3â?? drums and shoes on all â??64
300â??s & NYâ??s. 2.5â?? rear drums on Newport only.
Length and material of lining are different. Interesting
footnote-Police car HD brakes are not self-adjusting.
-
- The remote power brake booster on ram-engined cars makes disk brake
conversion problematic.
-
- Keep calm and 300 on.
-
- Rich Barber
- Brentwood, CA.
-
- From: Anna F Noia
[mailto:sa-noia@xxxxxxxxxxx]
- Sent: Wednesday, August 12, 2015 6:46 AM
- To: Ronald Kurtz
<mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>; 'Ray Jones'
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>;
'Rick Vitek'
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
Rich Barber <c300@xxxxxxx>
- Cc: 'Listsaver 300 Club'
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring -
G
-
- Ron K.
- Remember when you add the extra stopping power with the 3" rear
brakes shoes, you will need to adjust the proportioning valve for less
stopping to the rear. I did a similar job on a Montego Cyclone, went from
2" to 2.5" shoes on the rear. I immediately had rear lock up on
hard braking. A second thought, going to 3" rears, I assume your
front are also 3", correct? Or, do you have disc brakes on the
front? I would suggest going disc's all the way round, front and rear.
The front are an easy change with several choices, all using stock
Chrysler parts. The rear also can be done using the 74 Imperial Rear disc
set up. Believe it or not, it bolts straight on to the 8.75 rear end from
the 9.25 Imperial rear. I did this on my 66 Sport Fury Convertible,
anyway Good luck with it all, any increase in "Brakes" is a
Good Thing!
- Best Regards,
- Stephen A. Noia
- 1-408-210-4736 cell
-
-
- On Tuesday, August 11, 2015 2:50 PM, "Ronald Kurtz
mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]"
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
-
-
- Hello, all:
- I converted the rear brakes on my "Knewport" to 3-inch rear
brakes. What was needed to go from 2 1/2 inch to 3 inch drums and shoes
are support plates that that can mount 3" shoes, hardware and a
3" brake drum. Mine works fine. Three-inch support plates drop back
1/2 inch to accommodate 3" drums on the axles.
- Best,
- Ron Kurtz
- E #292
- --------------------------------------------
- On Sun, 8/9/15, 'Rich Barber'
c300@xxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
- Subject: RE: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe retainer/hold down spring -
G
- To: "'Ray Jones'"
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>,
"'Rick Vitek'"
<rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
- Cc: "'Listsaver 300 Club'"
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sunday, August 9, 2015, 8:32 PM
-
- Be very
- careful to get the parts for HD brakes as the wider rear
- shoes may require different springs and nails. These may
- be included under 300, wagon or HD suspension.
- Rich in Brentwood with a 300 Ram K car having HD
- brakes standard. 3â?? wide shoes & drums vs. 2 ½â??
- on most other â??64 Chryslers. Came to me with 2 ½â?? shoes
- in the 3â?? drums. Worked OK, but tâ??warnâ??t right.
- Shoe lining material and length on different â??64â??s were
- different also, but thatâ??s too much to ask.
- From:
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- [
mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ray
- Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300]
- Sent: Sunday, August 09, 2015 11:10
- AM
- To: Rick Vitek
- <rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
- Cc:
- Listsaver 300 Club
<
Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; Ray
- Jones
<1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Brake shoe
- retainer/hold down spring - G Have you checked your
local parts
- house?This kinda thing is readily
- available at any of the 4 parts houses here in
- Mena.These springs, pins and cups are
- generic, I believe, and fit thousands of
- cars.Even if they don't have a kit
- listed for your car, check what they have for
- fit.I just bought kits for the rear of
- my Hurst, and I'm sure the hold downs are the same as
- any I have ever installed.The kits may differ due to the
- other springs included, which may be different from model to
- model, but the shoe hold down is the same.Ray On Sun, Aug 9,
2015 at 11:05
- AM, 'Rick Vitek'
rpvitek@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- [Chrysler300]
<
Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- wrote:
- Looking for
- the brake shoe retainer spring hardware (nail, 2 cups, coil
- spring) for a G. Don't see it listed for this
- application on internet searches. Does anyone know of a
- source? I imagine this retainer length was used on other
- applications and would be willing to get a hardware set for
- that other application.
- Thanks.
- -- Ray Jones. Y'all
- come on down an see us. Ya
- hear?
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