It looks like Summit sells the Melling MEP-14 that should be a disc type 1 5/8 for the block. I'll order a set and find out. Also available in brass. This does not however solve my problem of finding the plug for behind the camshaft that I understand is a Welch plug also. Any leads on that would be appreciated.
From: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Ronald Kurtz mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]
Sent: Saturday, October 21, 2017 11:13 AM
To: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Ray Jones
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
Thanks, John, for your input.
I installed the plugs several years ago. They are holding up. My '64 Newport was a project car, to be sure my 300E would get the best equipment and parts. I am not going for points. But, I am a believer in doing what is right in my restorations. Can you send me a source where I can get the correct plugs?
Best,
Ron Kurtz
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On Sat, 10/21/17, John Grady <jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
To: "Ronald Kurtz" <mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "Ray Jones" <1970hurst@gmailcom>
Date: Saturday, October 21, 2017, 8:17 AM
I think to do this right you have
to machine the block to remove the lip the flat stock discs
sit on . Just putting GM style cups in the holes does not
work correctly . They need to go in flush all the way .
Maybe you did this machining? If not they will not grab as
designed .precision size of hole too ?
I am
a big believer in the hot heads aluminum plugs held with a
stainless steel bolt and toggle bolt like strap . This
cannot come out . The bolts from hot heads are slightly too
short aggravating putting them in , unbelievably so , inside
parts can drop into water jacket . You are done for . I had
a bare block got the toggle bar out of top of block. Get 1/4
longer bolts . Made for 392 , may be same size as B , and a
bolt in . The o ring sits on the block lip. Which must be
clean . lost a disc one on first trip on 392 ,huge hassle
you get 2 minutes to boiling in head. very tricky to get
in right with stock , but stock works. A skill issue . No
one does this in 2017, they do not have the experience . But
stock rusts too . On heads maybe cups are a good answer ?
Machining them anyway at a rebuild.
Bottom
line hot heads bolt in plugs end this problem on block.
And can be done without machining . Need to check if 413?and
392 same size . A good machinist can make this too . John G
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> On Oct 21, 2017, at 5:41 AM, Ronald Kurtz
mark6268@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
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> Copper cup
plugs are available from Summit Racing . I installed them on
my '64 361.
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Best,
> Rom Kurtz
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> On Fri, 10/20/17, Ray Jones 1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx
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Re: [Chrysler300] 413 Welch plugs
> To:
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> Cc: "Intl 300" <Chrysler300@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Ray Jones" <1970hurst@xxxxxxxxx>
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easier to set and keep in place.
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in the day when I replaced
> any of mine,
I used Marine Brass cup plugs.413 is a very popular
> engine, so they should be readily
available, in steal or
> Brass.
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> not cup
type,) for an early 413? Counterman at NAPA and some
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