Re: [Chrysler300] Brake Fluid for a 300F

["John Grady jkg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300]" <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

That is right Paul — “it costs too much “. Same as stainless steel brake lines .. should be mandatory . Once in a moment of utter frustration , after I was almost killed due to a 62 dodge daily driver brake line burst ( dakotas are well known for that , too, by the way.. lines on the axle  and frame   ). ..It only bursts of course during a full on panic stop , — nice , huh? ...  So— I wrote NHTSA about stainless lines . A nice lady engineer replied “ we know, but they cost too much “. Only poor people at the time had old cars  / rusty lines is the fact of who gets hurt . Not 100k government engineers. Add in single masters . 
So I got a RETAIL quote on 20 feet of line .. still remember the numbers .. about 9$ for galvanized , 17 $ for stainless . Retail . Wholesale by million feet probably 2$ and 4$ . Sent that  to her ... no answer . Could save hundreds of lives . But we got big rubber bumpers from them , to save insurance company money . Today Apple play and 32 speakers. And galvanized lines .. 
On silicone , I defer to military long term storage of 500k $ trucks. Have to go when needed . ... and my own understanding of it . Anecdotes are just that . I am not strident , or argumentative at all —  everyone can do as they want . 
Best , John 
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> On 25 Mar 2020, at 3:58 pm, paul paulholm@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] <Chrysler300-noreply@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>> On 3/25/2020 3:51 PM, 'Steve .' saforwardlook@xxxxxxxxx [Chrysler300] wrote:
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>> 
>> I was not intending to necessarily blame the fluid yet.  It is just that
>> over the years I have heard so much back and forth about the wisdom of
>> using silicone fluid in our cars that I just wanted an expert's opinion
>> based on having worked on so many of these older cars than anyone else I
>> know or have heard of that has more experience and capabilities.  He is
>> the guy that has to fix the failed parts and takes them apart to
>> understand the failure mechanisms and should have the most experience of
>> anyone I have known or have heard of.  So I just shared it.
>> 
>> I have also discussed this issue with a Toyota engineer in the past, and
>> Toyota research itself had concerns about the use of silicone fluids in
>> automobiles, but I was unable to gain the specifics.
>> 
>> I would like my F to remain reliable so I can keep it all original, but
>> with one single pot up front and really nothing else of use to stop the
>> car if the brakes go out at speed, it concerns me enough to ask the
>> experts.  It seems where there is some smoke, there may be fire.  This
>> whole discussion of silicone fluid never seems to go away with a
>> definitive conclusion.  You can apply engineering principles and
>> reasoning forever but it isn't a reliable answer either given the
>> anecdotal evidence to the contrary.
>> 
>> I was just sharing an opinion, and that was all.  I have no conclusions
>> personally.
>> 
>> I would also like to know why the automotive industry doesn't use
>> silicone for brake systems in new cars?  It seems ABS brake systems in
>> newer cars don't go the distance with glycol either, so why no changes?
>> 
>> I also have had a 1989 Dodge Dakota for 31 years now and have never had
>> to replace any brake components that rely on glycol to function and it
>> has 200K miles on it now.  I just flush the system every 4 years or so -
>> what is different about the system on that vehicle such that replacement
>> components on our cars can't incorporate the same metalurgy/seal
>> technology?
> 
>> There are many more questions rather than clear answers on this subject,
>> which is frustrating.
> 
>> Steve
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