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Hello Loren,

Perhaps the following email chain from way back in September/October 2011, between Gil Cunningham, me and Greg Hanna (President of Lectric Limited), helps address your G plugwire question. From this email exchange, Gil and I just 'let it lay,' though I think Gil was not convinced that Greg's response wasn't to his satisfaction.

Also, FYI, Lectric does not stock the red boot that belongs on the coil end of plugwire #1, as Chrysler built them back in the day, and the quality of Gary Goers' red boot seemed iffy, so I never installed his on my F. Not sure if Quirey is offering these red boots now, and if they're higher quality than was Gary's.

The Lectric Limited plugwires I'm currently running on my F are simply stamped - RADIO GM - with no date coding.

Noel Hastalis

Burr Ridge, IL (20 minute drive from Lectric Limited)

F Coupe

---------- Original Message ----------

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx

To: cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx

Date: 10/19/2011 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Hi Noel:

Guess we have to go with the expert. In my last response (see below) I said as much. I have no idea why my wires were different----as I said before, one is wrong!!! He did not respond, nor did I really intend for him to do so. GM, etc, etc. it is!!!

300ly, Gil

Greg, what can I say? I know what I received, and what I installed. My restored 300F not only did not have any old "original" wires, it didn't even have an engine when I acquired it! The wires are what they are, but if you state the ones sent to Noel are correct, then that is fine by me. You are the expert in the field, not me.

Thanks,

Gil

In a message dated 10/18/2011 8:29:11 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Hello Gil,

At the Lake George Meet, I did see that the plugwires John Begian installed on his beautifully restored G convertible were stamped the same as what I received - RADIO GM40.

Noel

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx
To: cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Sunday, October 9, 2011 4:37:57 PM
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Noel:

Bizarre indeed! I will email him one more time to correct that theory of his. By the way, we will not be at the meet. Have a conflict with a re-licensure seminar the same weekend.

300ly, Gil

In a message dated 10/8/2011 10:27:34 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Hi Gil,

Yes the part # is the same - but don't think that confirms the wire stock stamping is the same! Very bizarre that he would challenge your installation of these. See you in NY!

Noel

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx
To: cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, October 8, 2011 9:17:48 AM
Subject: Fwd: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

From: greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
To: Lettercars@xxxxxxx
Sent: 10/7/2011 11:14:19 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time
Subj: RE: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Gil,

I checked all my records and have found that the set I sent to you in 2004 was part #6302-000. This set is the same set that Noel Received and was made with the same wire and script as the wire as Noel’s. Is it possible you never installed the wires we sent to you and that you re-installed your old “original” wires? Perhaps you put the wire set that we sent to you aside to be put on at a alter date?

Thanks, Greg

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx [mailto:Lettercars@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 9:29 AM
To: Greg Hanna
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Hi Again, Greg:

Sorry to belabor this subject, but......

My car is a 1960 not a 1961. It is the same model (300F) as Noel Hastie's. It does not, to my knowledge, have a date code on the wires. You told me it should not have at the time. I remember sending you a wire but I just don't quite understand why a Packard wire reproduced for the same car----1960 Chrysler 300F----should be different in 2011 than it was in circa 2005. It still seems like one is wrong, no matter what. If the wire I sent at the time was wrong, I would not have wanted it copied. If the current thinking is that the 1960 Chrysler Packard wires should be as sent to Noel, with the "GM" (I see they became part of GM in 1932!) then so be it. I will probably be ordering a new set, as some of mine suffered heat damage over the years.

Thanks for your help.

Gil Cunningham

In a message dated 10/5/2011 3:25:36 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Gil

The reason you received the wires with Packard & the date code is that the original set you sent to me had the date codes. If you car is a 1961 model built after feb/march 1961 then it probably could have come with the Packard date coded wire. I am sure the wire script on the set that we sent is appropriate for your 61.

Yes the GM stands for General Motors (they owned Packard Electric).

Thanks, Greg

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx [mailto:Lettercars@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 12:35 PM
To: Greg Hanna
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Greg:

Then my wires were made wrong?? Can we do anything about that? Club members do look at my car at the meets as sort of a guideline to proper restoration. I have tried very hard to get things correct so people would not be misled.

What does the "GM" stand for? People will ask immediately if it is General Motors.

Thank you for your help.

Gil Cunningham

In a message dated 10/5/2011 11:26:48 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:

Gil,

The wires did not say Packard and were not date coded until very late 1961 model production. Up to that point the wires said Radio GM TVRS. AND after Packard date coded script began being used, the font size, spacing, & wording changed with every new date code.

Thanks, Greg

From: Lettercars@xxxxxxx [mailto:Lettercars@xxxxxxx]
Sent: Wednesday, October 05, 2011 9:18 AM
To: Greg Hanna
Cc: cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [Chrysler300] Revisiting - F Spark plug wires

Good Morning, Greg:

Gil Cunningham here---Chrysler 300 Club, Int'l. As you may remember I, and another member worked with you to develop the correct 1960 300F and 1961 300G sparkplug wiring a few years ago (2005?). My car has on it either the first or the second set made, if I am not mistaken. At that time you said in 1960 Packard did not date their wires, so mine do not carry dates. All well and good.

Now, I am very perplexed with the wires sent to Club member Noel Hastalis which say "RADIO GM". Mine, as done those 5--6 years ago, say PACKARD TV-R SUPPRESION CABLE - USA. This verbiage is preceded by a circular "logo" with three "lobes".

One of these arrangements must be wrong? Could you please enlighten? Thank you for your help.

Best regards,

Gil C.

In a message dated 9/29/2011 11:57:39 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx writes:

From : Greg Hanna [ mailto:greg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ]
Sent : Thursday, September 29, 2011 09:45 AM
To : Noel Hastalis
Subject : RE: A 300F question - spark plug wires

Noel, The wires you have, have the correct script as used until very late 1961 model. Your car is a 1960 Model so it used the Radio GM script.

Thanks, Greg

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