Re: {Chrysler 300} Need more fuel!

The Clay Smith Cam was recommended to me by John Lazenby and is the closest to original grind that can be obtained NEW. I purchased one as a “Dead in the water part” for future use and as sure as God made green apples it came into use 2 years ago when I had to have the engine rebuilt. It is slightly more aggressive than stock but with great drivability. No vacuum problems or lumpy idling other than normal with great off the line response. I also obtained leather accelerator pumps from Chicago Corvettes for the dual WCFB carbs. Very important to get the leather pumps. Car runs fabulously! Jeff Carter used the same cam in a C Coupe he restored for a fellow in Canada and was very impressed with the drivability and how the engine comes alive when you put your foot in it in 3rd gear! The stumbling may be from the accellerator pumps. On the dyno we had non-leather ones that gave stumbling coming off idle. I sourced the leather ones and solved that problem. We gained more HP on the dyno from the Clay Smith Cam and I am very pleased. I drive mostly with the A/C on and like the extra power. Not to confuse you but speaking from experience. 300’ly, Rob Kern

On May 8, 2022, at 11:21 PM, Gary Gettleman <gary.gettleman@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

John C,

OK Mister Smarty, where the h#*l were you when I started down this rabbit hole?!!

John all kidding aside, you are spot on with your very terse comment.

After all the responses from you and the rest of Great Folks in 300 land, putting the C back to stock with closest I can get to the factory spec'd cam.

As Paul Harvey ( most likely you are way too young to remember) would say "And now the rest of the story," will follow up with "The Rest of the Story" once we do the swap out.

Thanks for your help.

gary gettleman

On Sat, May 7, 2022, 4:55 PM John R. Cote <cotejohnr@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Just a question...........

Why change a cam from original to a problem? Am I missing something?

Incoming,

JC

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From: Gary Gettleman <gary.gettleman@xxxxxxxxx>
To: Gary <garythepartsdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Ray Melton <rfmelton@xxxxxxx>; 300 Club <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Sat, May 7, 2022 7:19 pm
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Need more fuel!

Gary,

The more information I get the more confused I become.

Leaning towards replacing the isky cam that hot heads recommend and going with Clay Smith cam that Rob Kern likes.

Have low vacuum between 6-8 lbs and that's after idle was bumped up.

Appreciate your help.

gary

On Sat, May 7, 2022, 12:58 PM Gary <garythepartsdoc@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Gary G.

With a No. and letter drill set you can dill jet to any size you need.

Gary

From: Gary Gettleman

Sent: Saturday, May 07, 2022 12:25 PM

To: Ray Melton

Cc: 300 Club

Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Need more fuel!

Ray,

   Thank you for your way over my pay grade response.

Mechanic is very talented and has some very high $$$$ builds to his credit.

That said, his main business is high end Resto Mods.

Did a buddies '41 Cad coupe on Art Morrison frame with 2021 Cadillac Hot Engine and 8/10 ? speed tranny.

Very High end builds, yet he will work on old Detroit iron like our beloved 300's.

I like your suggestion re the service bulletin update and will start there and let you know how it goes.

Best Regards

     gary gettleman

     The once "Golden State" (but not so much any more) of California.

On Sat, May 7, 2022, 12:07 PM Ray Melton <rfmelton@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Hello Gary -

Sounds like it could be insufficient accelerator pump shot. Which jets is he suggesting to be changed, and to what size? How did your mechanic decide which jets to change and the new size - anything scientific or just WAG? How will you find those jets for such an obsolete carburetor? Even if jets for the later Carter AFB would fit, is the internal fuel/air flow circuitry the same as for the WCFB? Since the 300C was originally intended to run on only one carburetor at low RPM, you may have upset the A/F ratio right off idle when you converted to synchronous (non-progressive) carburetor function - going too lean because of the unintended extra airflow from the other carburetor. Have you incorporated the carburetor modifications recommended by Chrysler in Technical Bulletin #364 of July 16, 1957? That may/may not help, but it couldn't hurt. I had Jim McGowan do that mod when he restored my carburetors - excellent workmanship and results!

Depending on the elevation where you primarily operate, you might also want to consider different metering rods, too, although that will not affect your off-idle stumbling issue.

Ray Melton 300C in New Mexico

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On 5/7/2022 12:31 PM, Gary Gettleman wrote:

To All the Great Folks in 300 Land.

Apparently the cam that we installed during the C engine rebuild is a bit lumpy as compared to the stock cam.

Have what I would call a momentary stutter when the right foot presses down.

We adjusted carb linkage so instead of running on 2 barrels it's now on 4, which has improved performance, but still get the occasional hiccup.

Mechanic said we need to swap out the jets for larger size and that will solve problem.

Figure someone else has had this problem and would appreciate your help with this issue.

Thanks to all.

gary gettleman

300 C Export

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