Re: {Chrysler 300} Ziegler 300F

On Sun, Dec 18, 2022, 4:35 PM Cox <scooter465@xxxxxxx> wrote:

What I thought was strange
The new economy Dodge
Lancer and Plymouth Vallant
Came for 1960 with the
New alternator standard.
But the high end Chryslers
Still had the old generator.

Bob Haag

On Dec 18, 2022, at 6:00 PM, Cox <scooter465@xxxxxxx> wrote:

Bob Haag

On Dec 18, 2022, at 5:36 PM, Nick Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I have a lot of factory bulletins on the 1960 alternators. Unfortunately, the one introducing the alternator doesn't have a date on the front page but it is between bulletins from May of 1960. See link below. I'll have to pull the full bulletin when I'm home. But I would guess that the F specials were built way before Imperials got alternators. My 1960 Imperial as the alternator but it is a June 1960 built car. I know the F specials had custom pulleys for the alternator that is larger than the production ones. My Imperial is untouched if anyone needs pictures of the setup. The alternator has been replaced at some point as only half of it has the wide fin spacing. I have a 1961 DeSoto at my house that has the correct date coded alternator from November 1960.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/qE97yzohtLx8WGtk8

Nick.

On Fri, Dec 16, 2022, 9:07 AM 'John Lazenby' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Well, I put the question to what I consider the "expert" on these cars and here is his reply. Also, the comment about Rocky's '60 Ghia Imperial is the example that Wayne Graefen owned and found the day I purchased our '53 Imperial Newport. They came out of the same collection. Oh, if you haven't figured out who "Rocky" was that is Nelson Rockefeller, former VP of America and this car was his when he was Governer of NY.

John Lazenby

John,
While there are equipment differences in details of the individual Gran Turismo cars, since they were each "hand-re-built" from production cars, I would say the regulator for the alternator is the same PN as that used on all the production '60 Imperials. After all, that is where the F GT alternator came from.
Never had to touch the alternator nor the regulator while I owned the Drumm car. Nor was there any issue while owning Rocky's limo.
W

Pic: Bob Roger points to the alt on the test mule.

On Friday, December 16, 2022 at 07:14:51 AM PST, dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

These photos of the Ziegler car show the alternator. Is anyone familiar with the regulator Chrysler used on the alternator equipped 300 F's? In the photo I can make out what appears to be a standard 3 element regulator used with a generator. Did they use that box and employ only the voltage regulator (since a cutout and current regulator are not used with alternators)?

Danny Plotkin

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From: "Bob Jasinski" <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 10:35pm
To: "'don petty'" <donlpetty2@xxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "'Chrysler 300 Club International'" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: {Chrysler 300} Ziegler 300F

Don,

Sorry about the duplicate email, I’m learning how to insert pics, not sure of size limitations. I pulled up the rest of the photos and I can’t think of a better venue to share these in. The carbs were water heated, you can see the hose connection behind the large pulley alternator and the hose going to the left carb.

300ly,

Bob J

From: don petty <donlpetty2@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2022 5:14 PM
To: Bob Jasinski <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Ziegler 300F

interesting with the windshield washer and 7 button radio were the water heated manifolds hooked up i ran my hoses but blocked them off at the front to eliminate corrosion

On Thu, Dec 15, 2022 at 4:49 PM Bob Jasinski <rpjasin@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Nick and group,

I took photos of Ziegler’s 300F when it came up for auction in Monterey in 2010. Attached are some of the shots I got that day. Air cleaners were chrome.

Bob J

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