One that has the spring wedges in the door jamb would indicate a convertible used as a donor for the whole body instead of a coupe that was converted by cutting off the roof. I remember seeing these kits in Hemmings back in the 1980s. There is more to the convertible body than just wedges in the door jambs so a converted coupe would have some real downsides, beyond the fakery.On Fri, May 5, 2023 at 6:35 PM Noel Hastalis <cpaviper@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:Not to keep kicking this, but there are a few of these 'made' cars still out there.
John Begian, Jim Bielenda and I saw this particular #133898 at the Leake Scottsdale 2020 auction that also sold off the John Staluppi collection that included 300-C s/n -001 that Mike McCandless bought there. But this #133898 was not part of Staluppi's collection and I think was a no sale - photo attached. Two months later this same #133898 sold at Mecum Glendale AZ, hammering for $165,000, for an all-in price of $181,500 with 10% buyer commission.
What is interesting to note about #133898 is that its doorjamb does have the door alignment 'wedge' seen on convertibles only.
There's another one of these 'pink' 300-F convertibles, wearing vin plate #156603 (not listed in our Club known Fs), here locally in the metro Chicago area, that's part of a fairly sizeable collection. Its owner is not a Club member and I have no idea whether he knows its a made car. It does not have the convertible aligning wedge in each of its doorjambs. This car was displayed at the August 2018 Geneva IL Concours, that featured our Letter Cars. I recruited 17 of the 21 displayed 300s, but was very unpleasantly surprised when I saw this one in the line-up.
- Briefly seen in my video (on our Club website) at that Geneva Concours - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fh6jf7pUy2c.
- Also seen more completely in this video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSrBmZNlqcA&t=334s. I'm guessing the body plate is not factory, but was fabricated later - your thoughts?
Noel
On 05/04/2023 9:40 AM 'Tony Rinaldi' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John et al,
Back in his hay day, you could have bought a matching set of 300 fake letter car convertibles (1957-1961) from Dave Glassel for over a million bucks. He advertised them in Hemmings.
The Club did its best to advise people but Glassel threatened to sue the Club for interfering with his business. Officials, at the time, were intimidated by the threat of a lawsuit.
I know efforts, by the club, continued to assist those who got stuck with the “Aces of Spades.”
I think the FBI tried to go after him? He eventually shut down his “Faux 300” shop.
Tony Rinaldi
On Thursday, May 4, 2023, 9:16 AM, Joshua C Mishler <tailfinera@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
John,
You are correct. Guys name was David Glassel I think. My grandparents actually visited his shop during that era of him turning out phony convertibles, unbeknownst to them. Somewhere there is even a home video they filmed during that visit. Could be used as evidence in court. LOL!
Josh
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 8:10 AM John Lyons <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
My recollection is there was a bad actor out of Texas who built a bunch of F convertibles out of coupes and New Yorkers. I remember most of them being terra-cotta.
John Lyons860-883-3998
Excuse any typos.
On May 4, 2023, at 8:55 AM, Gloria Moon <agmoon300@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Hi Tony, The red F is a different car. It took 1st place in concours in Golden CO. Current owner unknown. Sold by Tom Gerrard or his estate at Mecum.
On Thu, May 4, 2023 at 5:28 AM 'Tony Rinaldi' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
In May of 2018, the Mecum Indy auction had a terracotta 300-F convertible go for $291,500.
Also a “pink” one go for $181,500.
Is this the same car?
See attached photos
Tony Rinaldi
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On Thursday, May 4, 2023, 12:20 AM, pffkllc via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
This tide would have to be a tsunami to get to that price!
Pete Fitch
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Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} Pink 300F convertible 8403133898 up for sale again.That gold trim doesn't come cheap.On Wed, May 3, 2023, 4:57 PM Patrick Monaghan <pmonaghan3165@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:Am I reading this right? 249K?On Wed, May 3, 2023, 19:53 Nick Taylor <nicksgaragesd@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:--
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