Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C and fresh air

I would have to disagree with the above statement. In the 1970 model year when I had one of my 1970 Chryslers and was residing in Detroit, my brother (who lived in California) met me in Detroit and we rented a Chevrolet Impala and drove back to the East Coast as part of his visit. Most of the days during our trip were very hot and humid, way beyond what we were used to in California.

When we went to a particular site such as a museum or light house, that Chevrolet was amazing to both of us - within 2 minutes of getting back inside the Chevrolet., we were cool again. The immediate flow of cool air was at least twice the amount that the Chrysler put out in similar conditions. Even on high, the Chrysler cool air flow was inadequate by a wide margin and the Chevrolet had no vibration at idle at all and the engine ran cool the whole time with their immense crossflow radiators that were almost 50% wider than the relatively narrow 26" Chrysler ones (28" in Imperials).

GM won the sales races back in those days because their cars were very refined and quiet,had excellent a/c systems with advanced rotary compressors and rode relatively smoothly whereas the Chrysler's were not particularly quiet and the rumbling compressor just didn't help at all. From my vantage point when I worked for Chrysler in Highland Park Engineering from 1969 through 1981, I drove all the Chrysler models and it was clear to me why GM sold many more cars.

I actually went into the a/c lab back in Highland Park and asked one of the guys in that department why they stuck with the RV2 compressor so long, and the guy told me it had more capacity than the GM compressors for such applications as dual a/c in wagons, Imperials, etc. and he told me they had no intent of changing it anytime soon.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 3:04 PM <dplotkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I'm reasonably certain that Chrysler was first with a "re-heat" type system in which refrigerated air was passed through the heater core where it could be tempered for use on damp cool days. GM had two completely separate systems for heat and air conditioning using a common blower until 1963 when it made hay out of what Chrysler had been doing since 1959. From 60-64 full size Fords hung an evaporator under the dash which was great for making hot, nasty smelly cabin air colder.

GM having the best auto AC is nonsense. It was Airtemp.

Danny Plotkin

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From: "M L" <granitledge@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 5:29pm
To: "300 club" <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C and fresh air

I used to do that in my 58 Plymouth and every push button car after it. Allows air flow without the blower running.

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 11:46 AM 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I am not referring to the FAN. It goes on when you press the Fresh or Max Cool buttons. The lever on the heater control valve pushes out to set the fan speed of low-medium-high.

The cowl vent is open when you push fresh cool, defrost and heat. However, when you push defrost and heat all the cowl air goes through the heater core even if the valve is off. When you push the fresh cool only 25% of the air passes through the heater core.

I am looking for that.

James

From: John <spiers@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, July 4, 2024 09:29
To: James Douglas <jdd@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: Chrysler 300 Club International <chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: {Chrysler 300} A/C and fresh air

James & all,

I can't find this detail in my 1964 owner's manual, but I believe your planned wiring project is already built in to the car's operation - if you have the a/c on (button depressed as normal) and you pull it out, the fan remains on, but the compressor turns off.

Try it!

Happy 4th to all.

John in Florida

On Thu, Jul 4, 2024 at 11:50 AM, 'James Douglas' via Chrysler 300 Club International

<chrysler-300-club-international@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

One of the things I do not like that Chrysler did starting in 1959 was the new heater – A/C design. If one wants cowl air in these cars without the compressor running --- one cannot get it.

When you press the Fresh Cool button, the vacuum switches close the recirculating door and open the cowl door. But it also turns on the A/C Compressor.

I was thinking of putting in a switch someplace in the cockpit and run the compressor wire (Electromagnet lead) through it and back to the compressor lead. That way I can open the circuit and then press the Fresh Cool and just move air from the cowl into the cockpit.

Anyone ever do this or something like it?

Sometimes it is nice to get fresh air without heat or A/C on and still have the windows closed.

Happy 4^th to everyone.

James

PS. On my ’47 Desoto I can manually open the cowl air and/or send it through the heater cores. I can also have it closed and have the twin heater cores pull all air (recirculating) from the cockpit. On the ’49 they moved the heater core to the front of the engine bay up against the radiator support. You only choice is fresh heat. No recirculating heat. Not a good system. It seems like they could never come up with a standardized methodology on the heating and A/C. I think those decisions were slaves to other considerations.

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