Great suggestion, makes sense to keep the trans stock. But will take some heavy bits and drill to accomplish I would guess.Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central IndianaOn Sun, Sep 11, 2022 at 6:15 AM Michael <493...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:--Make/use a drill guide to drill a small pilot hole in the crank. Keep opening the hole up until the input shaft will enter the hole with a small amount of clearance. That will keep the transmission stock and allow material for enlargement in the future for the correct bushing. Just use the larger converter hub style bearing until you change/rebuild the engine.
Mike
On 9/10/2022 8:45 PM, neal zimmerman wrote:
I might go with the Ehrenberg piece. I sent him a message asking if nipping the tip of input is necessary. I really don't like the idea of doing that. I just bought all new everything from Brewers and that kind of thing irks me.neal Zimmerman
--On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 10:44 AM Bill Parker <hem...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Yes it makes it clear how it solves the issue!--
On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 1:07 PM 62-65-mail-list-club-Gary-H <62-65-mail...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Thanks Bill, good reminder about that one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/295180519557
As well as the longevity of Ehrenberg's listing. (Long may he run!)
I posted that Ehrenberg link because he provided a picture of the item actually in use, which seemed helpful.
Gary H.
> -------Original Message-------
> From: Bill Parker
>
> Yes the link to another eBay listing that I posted is several bucks
> cheaper but Ehrenberg has been listing these for quite a few years so
> probably is where they will be available as long as he’s around.
>
> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 12:19 PM 62-65-mail-list-club- wrote:
>
> > Ehrenberg sells a "Mopar PILOT BEARING Clutch/Crankshaft Problem
> > Solver" that has a photo of where what he sells goes.
> >
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/224653399904
> >
> > https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/UekAAOSwNyFWdGtd/s-l500.jpg
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gary H.
> >
> >> -------Original Message-------
> >>
> >>
> >> I tried but he's clueless as to what I am talking about.. Plus
> > its on
> >> a motor stand so I don't know if he could t get a very good
> > camera
> >> shot in there.
> >> Neal Zimmerman
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 8:01 AM neal zimmerman
> >> > wrote:
> >>
> >> > On the other hand I could just have one of my 440s rebuilt
> > locally
> >> > and I would then know everything about my motor. But the post
> > covid
> >> > waiting list is long to get it done.
> >> > Plus I recently lost my 20+ year machinist guy to a very
> > aggressive
> >> > cancer, so I am now at a loss as to who/how to get a motor
> > rebuilt
> >> > here in town..
> >> > Starting over at square one as to who can be trusted.
> >> > Neal ZImmerman
> >> >
> >> > On Fri, Sep 9, 2022 at 7:54 AM neal zimmerman
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > OK sounds like the NAPA part could help out. I am eyeballing a
> > brand
> >> > new rebuilt 440 on facebook Marketplace, but it's about 200
> > miles
> >> > away, so I can't get my eyeballs on back of crank to see., and
> > the
> >> > guy selling it seems a bit clueless as to what I am talking
> > about
> >> > when I asked him what the status of the crank is.
> >> > I mean it very well could be pilot bushing ready, but I just
> > don't
> >> > know, and I don't want to drive 200 miles to find out it's a
> > no-go
> >> > situation.
> >> > At least he has the receipts for the work done.
> >> > neal Zimmerman
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 6:37 PM Bill Parker wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure if all -pre '66 were fully machined, I suspect
> > someone
> >> > on here will know for sure though. But again, if you are going
> > to
> >> > rebuild, then sure why not get it bored and reamed. I know how
> > any
> >> > project can turn into, "well while I'm this far, I just as well
> > do
> >> > that", I do it myself. If you weren't going to anyway, the late
> >> > model bearing does work.
> >> >
> >> > Bill & Kathi Parker, South Central Indiana
> >> >
> >> > Virus-free.www.avast.com
> >> >
> >> > On Thu, Sep 8, 2022 at 7:24 PM John Waskiewicz
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Question, where all 361, 383 426 cranks pre 1966 engines
> > machined
> >> > for this pilot bushing, for either auto or manual trans? As if
> > I
> >> > feel like switching to 4 speed the machining is there, I guess
> > if I
> >> > do put the 4 speed in I will rebuild the 361 anyway, and
> > machine for
> >> > it. John Wask.....
> >> >
> >> > Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
> >> >
> >> > -------- Original message --------
> >> > From: 'Stan Kafouse'
> >> >
> >> > This is a very simple fix the crank is either drilled AND
> > reamed for
> >> > a pilot bushing or it just drilled. NAPA sells a pilot bushing
> > for
> >> > this drilled BUT NOT REAMED episode. 610-xxxx is the part
> > number, I
> >> > am going from memory as I kept those in my tool box years and
> > years
> >> > ago. This bushing has a smaller O.D. allowing it the press into
> > a
> >> > non reamed crankshaft.
> >> >
> >> > On Thursday, September 8, 2022, 12:46:32 AM EDT, Bill Parker
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I may or may not have already sent a reply albeit leaving out
> > the
> >> > item number I was going to post. But here goes again. As
> > already
> >> > described you do have to separate the engine and trans to find
> > out.
> >> > If your 440 came new with an automatic trans it will not have a
> > full
> >> > pilot hole. The quick and inexpensive fix, again as already
> >> > described, is a pilot bearing that fits in the crank recess.
> > See
> >> > eBay item 295180519557 for one of these and there are other
> >> > listings. This item started out as original Mopar but as said,
> > there
> >> > are repros now too. You do have to cut off some of the trans
> > input
> >> > shaft tip with a cutoff wheel and chamfer it a fit for ease of
> >> > assembly, or technically you could go to the trouble of taking
> > the
> >> > crank to a machine shop to be bored and reamed for the original
> >> > bushing, particularly if you are going to disassemble the
> > engine
> >> > anyway.
> >> > Rick Ehrenberg did a Mopar Action article on this but I cannot
> >> > recall how much has to be cut off. I did use this method years
> > ago
> >> > on a four speed changeover. I even have a Mopar special driver
> > tool
> >> > somewhere that seats the bearing in the recess nice and flush
> > but it
> >> > can be done with a punch.
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2022 at 7:52 PM neal zimmerman
> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > how can one tell if a 440 crank is machined for a pilot bushing
> > ?
> >> > And if it is not, would it require disassembling the engine to
> > do
> >> > so?
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