Well I agree Jim that the GTO is usually given the credit for starting the muscle car craze of the 60's but they were not the first to stuff a big engine in a mid size light weight body. I have to give credit for that to the Studebaker Golden Hawk with it's Packard engine. And since 62 Dodges and Plymouths are mid size cars Chrysler was doing it before Pontiac. So Yes Pontiac started the muscle car craze but they didn't invent the muscle car. I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. How about the fact that the Mustang is given credit for starting the pony car craze but the Plymouth Barracuda was on the market first. Dan (I'll have a large with double cheese LOL) Jim Ozolins wrote: > > Yes, the word "precursor" is very important there. > > I won't argue that these high-powered cars weren't "muscular," but these > precursors did not kick off the Muscle Car phenomenon of the 60's. > That's > what I'm using as a definition of a Muscle Car. Not just power to weight > > ratio. > > That's where I have to call B.S. when Chrysler claims to have invented > the > musclecar. > Chrysler, Ford, and the rest of GM had to catch up to Pontiac after the > introduction of the GTO. > Only Pontiac had the foresight and the guts to take the risk, and once > it > proved popular, and profitable, did the others climb on board. > > > Jim O. (I invented the Pepperoni Pizza.) ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.