Re: New Chrysler Corp. commercial

[george smith <bt6t4@xxxxxxxxx>]

It was just a matter of marketing.To say Pontiac had
the guts and took the risk is almost laughable! Not
even counting the 50's Mopars,what do you call a 62 B
Body dart with a max wedge?? Chopped liver?!?!
Pontiac put a name to it,thatt's all. Right
place,right time. 
--- Jason Chance <j23@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> 
> So, you are talking about the "phenomenon". I don't
> recall Chrysler 
> saying that they invented the "phenomenon". So, you
> are talking apples 
> and oranges here.
> 
> If you don't call a factory engine with 13.5 to one
> compression ratio 
> having the "foresight and the guts to take the
> risk", then you are 
> obviosly lost in GM fanboy land...
> 
> I would point out that unless ALL of the brands
> participated, it would 
> never have been a "phenomenon". I would never state
> that Chrysler 
> started the "phenomenon" but I would say that they
> had the first "muscle 
> car". A car with muscle, a.k.a  a high
> power-to-weight ratio.
> 
> Saying that Chrysler would have never produced
> another muscle car 
> without the success of the GTO is simply not true.
> They were doing it 
> before and they had plans in place to continue.
> 
> Jason
> 
> 
> 
> Jim Ozolins wrote:
> 
> >
> > Yes, the word "precursor" is very important there.
> >
> > I won't argue that these high-powered cars weren't
> "muscular," but these
> > precursors did not kick off the Muscle Car
> phenomenon of the 60's. 
> > That's what I'm using as a definition of a Muscle
> Car. Not just power 
> > to weight ratio.
> >
> > That's where I have to call B.S. when Chrysler
> claims to have invented 
> > the musclecar.
> > Chrysler, Ford, and the rest of GM had to catch up
> to Pontiac after 
> > the introduction of the GTO.
> > Only Pontiac had the foresight and the guts to
> take the risk, and once 
> > it proved popular, and profitable, did the others
> climb on board.
> >
> >
> > Jim O. (I invented the Pepperoni Pizza.)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> From: Dan McCormack <mcwheels@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Reply-To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: RE: New Chrysler Corp. commercial
> >> Date: Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:48:57 +0000
> >>
> >>> From the Wikipedia Encyclopedia. Notice the last
> sentence:
> >>
> >>
> >> The Studebaker Golden Hawk was a two-door
> pillarless hardtop coupe type
> >> car produced by the Studebaker Corporation of
> South Bend, Indiana
> >> between 1956 and 1958. The Golden Hawk took the
> basic shape of the
> >> 1953-on Champion/Commander Starliner hardtop
> coupe but added a large,
> >> almost vertical eggcrate grille and raised
> hoodline in place of the
> >> earlier car's swooping, pointed nose, as well as
> a raised trunklid and
> >> befinned rear quarters.
> >>
> >> That grille and raised hood were to take a larger
> engine, Packard's big
> >> 352 in³ (5.8 L) V8 at 275 bhp (205 kW). This big,
> powerful engine in
> >> such a light car gave the Golden Hawk a
> phenomenal power-to-weight ratio
> >> (and thus performance) for the time; of 1956
> American production cars,
> >> the Golden Hawk was second only to Chrysler's 300
> B by that measure -
> >> and the expensive Chrysler was a road-legal
> NASCAR racing car. The
> >> Golden Hawk can be considered, like the
> Chryslers, a precursor to the
> >> muscle cars of the 1960s
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Ozolins wrote:
> >> >
> >> > Crap! I didn't know the '64 GTO was a Chrysler!
> >> > I was interested by that commercial, too.
> >> >
> >> > Did they take credit for inventing the
> internet, as well?
> >> >
> >> > Jim Ozolins
> >> > '64 Valiant
> >>
> >>
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