Herr Miners is right. Me i go a bit further and use my fingers as vaves over the holes . useally a bout 4 to 5 strokes is al it takes. letting it exit but blocking air from entering on the back stoke. Don Author of Return to Deutschland (True Adventure) Old Reliable (Mopar) http://altonapublicschool.faithweb.com/ http://seniordragster.bravehost.com/index.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ---- Please address private mail -- mail of interest to only one person -- directly to that person. I.e., send parts/car transactions and negotiations as well as other personal messages only to the intended recipient, not to the Clubhouse public address. This practice will protect your privacy, reduce the total volume of mail and fine tune the content signal to Mopar topic. Thanks! '62 to '65 Mopar Clubhouse Discussion Guidelines: http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/mletiq.html.