RE: last question on electronic ignition!

[laborboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

This is all extremely helpful, you folks are the greatest. The ballast 
resistor was included with the MP kit, but I also seperately bought an 
HP hi-voltage coil. I wonder if the resistor was included assuming you 
still had the stock coil. With the new coil, maybe it is not necessary. 
I am going to try to reach Jeg's today. 

Zack

Rich Kinsley wrote:
> 
> Well my coil did feel kinda hot no matter which way I used it so I have 
> by-passed the resistor and I am soon going to remove it altogether. Of 
> course my car is all apart, again, so it really doesn't matter right now 
> 
> :-)
> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> =====================================================================
> ====sky62 wrote:
> > 
> > I've been doing some checking and it seems that most coils for are  
> > cars are 12v coils, rather it be a MSD blaster,
> > Flame-Thrower, Accel Super Stock etc... what's different is some are
> > internally resisted with different primary resistances rated in Ohms,  
> > just like the
> > ballast resistors are... ? it seems the lower Ohms rated coils, say . 
> > 7 Ohms - .85 Ohms
> > have a higher maximum voltage rating like 45,000v, compared to 1.5  
> > Ohms with a
> > maximum of 40,000v. there is also a secondary resistance, rated in  
> > Ohms, and a
> > turns ratio etc... but, although, it still isn't 100% clear if you  
> > need the ballast resistor with the
> > Mopar ECU? I'm reading stuff like the resistor is "Absolutely  
> > required for points-triggered
> > ignitions equipped with coils that do not feature a built-in  
> > resistor." ok or
> > 
> > "No ballast resistor is required when using Accel 41000, 51000,  
> > 61000, or 71000 series
> > Electronic Breakerless Distributors or when using Accel 300+ Ignition  
> > Control Modules,
> > no matter what coil is used."
> > 
> > and the "Mallory Heavy Duty Porcelain Resistors have a 200 watt  
> > rating and use threaded terminal connections for better wire  
> > retention. Available for most standard point type or electronic  
> > ignitions. This resistor has variable resistance values for improved  
> > coldweather starting and is a direct replacement for old Mallory Part  
> > #650-25750-38 and #650-28127."
> > 
> > JEGS ballast resistor is designed to be used on low resistance  
> > ignitions such as breaker point and some optical trigger breakerless  
> > systems. Ceramic construction prevents overheating of the system for  
> > durability while maintaining consistent coil current and spark  
> > duration. Rated at 1.6 Ohm.
> > 
> > and I'm still looking, but I can not get a clear cut answer on  
> > bypassing the MP ballast resistor, when using a
> > Mopar ECU, and one of these internally resisted coils ?? BTY there is  
> > no indication that the
> > Accel SuperStock Coil is internally resisted? so, Rich, what do you  
> > think? how hot is your coil getting after
> > 10 or 20 min. of use? I say if nothings heating up to much then maybe  
> > your ok. all I know, is my resistor
> > gets freaking hot and my coil after an hour long trip is just a  
> > little to warm to touch?
> > 
> > clear as mud eh.
> > 
> > Schuyler
> > 62 Dodge Dart 440 wagon w/ Poly 318
> >   <http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.org/ml-wrobel62.html>
> > FYI - I Do the Decal designs for the Poly head 318 and more! email me  
> > with your needs -
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Jul 23, 2009, at 11:17 AM, Rich Kinsley wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > If we're not using the Mopar coil we shouldn't need it. Right. I  
> > > have an
> > > Accel Super Sport and I did away with the ballast resistor.
> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> > > =====================================================================
> > > Dennis C. wrote:
> > >>
> > >> * STOP * REMOVE THE JUNPER * INSTALL THE NEW BALLAST RESISTOR *
> > >>
> > >> First and most important the only bad question is the question  
> > >> that is
> > >> not asked.  Keep asking questions until you are satisfied with all of
> > >> the answers.
> > >>
> > >> The point ignition system used a ballast resistor and a low voltage
> > >> (primary side) coil.  When you turn the key to start the ignition  
> > >> switch
> > >>
> > >> bypasses the ballast resistor and puts full voltage to the coil for
> > >> starting, when you release the key the resistor goes back in the  
> > >> circuit
> > >>
> > >> and reduces voltage to the coil.
> > >>
> > >> The Mopar electronic ignition works about the same as the point  
> > >> system
> > >> except the control box does the switching.  As you found they sent a
> > >> different ballast resistor.  You need to use their new resistor  
> > >> because
> > >> the coil is still designed to run at a lower voltage.
> > >>
> > >> My Pertronix system was designed to run without a ballast  
> > >> resistor.  It
> > >> uses a 12 volt coil.
> > >>
> > >> Don't mix apples and oranges, each system must be installed as  
> > >> designed.
> > >>
> > >> I think you very much like your new ignition system.
> > >>
> > >> Take Care
> > >> Dennis C.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> laborboy@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> I installed the jumper wire (probably 16 gauge, did not have a 12
> > >>> handy). My last question, I promise: If we have to jump the ballast
> > >>> resistor,why does Mopar Performance include a new ballast  
> > >>> resistor in
> > >>> its conversion kit, and have you install it if the voltage won't  
> > >>> be high
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> enough?
> > >>>
> > >>> Zack
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 1996 Dodge Ram 3500 Van Conversion
> > >> 1964 Plymouth Belvedere 318 Auto
> > >> 1963 Plymouth Sport Fury 383 4-speed
> > >> 1949 Dodge Pickup 289/C4 soon to be changed
> > >> 1998 Honda Valkyrie Standard
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies
> > >
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> 
> 
> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara 4dr 318poly w/goodies


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