Re: vinyl dye spray

[Rob Palmason <rpalmason@xxxxxxxxx>]

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I'm stymied too.  Nothing but positive results in the past with SEM
stuff.  I can't relate to any of the issues described.

Rob
Littleton, MA


On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 9:27 AM,  <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> wow.. don't know what to say.. I used 3 cans (@ $9 a can)for all door
> panels (changing blue to white), it shines very much like the original
> vinyl... so far I haven't had the kind of problems you describe.. it's
> only been on few weeks, so only time will tell on the durablity
> John Hammond wrote:
>>
>> When I used SEM stuff in the past I have used every recommended
>> additional
>> product listed on the can and even the
>> additional adhesion pronoters suggested by the paint distributor.  I
>> really
>> don't like the stuff at all for a number of reasons.
>> One you mentioned, lots and lots of coats to achieve coverage or
>> change...hard to not put on too much at this point. 2. Harder
>> plastics like a kick panel will not withstand any abrasions without
>> scratching down to the original molded color. 3. Expensive, it
>> took 13 cans to change a red headliner to white, (granted an extreme
>> change), in a '63 Bel I had.  I'd have been better off
>> doing a new headliner - but it was in good condition just the wrong
>> color.
>> Into the project and it's funding I wasn't gonna pay
>> for it twice. I think at the time the stuff was 11-12 a can. 4. Lack of
>> adhesion, on a vinyl seat, let's just say your pants will match
>> your interior perfectly. 5. Way too flat, most new interiors of our
>> vintage
>> will exhibit a little sheen, most SEM stuff I've used has
>> been as satin as late-model Euro leathers. If it isn't the first week or
>> so,
>> just give it a little more time. 6. This was a really big one
>> and relates to reason 2 - difficult to clean/maintain.  Since it doesn't
>>
>> have much durability, cleaning anything previously sprayed
>> many times resulted in touching it up as well.  Thinking the hype on the
>> can
>> was just there to sell more useless product after a few
>> different trials on various cars; I decided to try something different.
>> I
>> wiped everything down with acetone and went straight to
>> color.  This helped with adhesion to some degree but not a lot and the
>> rest
>> of the problems remained.. Seemingly the only folks
>> I've ever seen get somewhat satisfactory results with the product (in my
>> 25+
>> years of being a dealer), were the guys that had it
>> mixed off a color code and applied it via spraying equipment.  I think
>> this
>> is largely due to stronger solvents and higher pressures
>> used - than are available in aerosol format.  Never tried that method
>> myself, I never liked the stuff much in small quantities to
>> start buying in bulk. In a nutshell, I feel like I've given the stuff
>> more
>> than its due time in court and never was pleased with the
>> overall results.
>>
>> John Hammond
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <62pluckedchicken@xxxxxxxxx>
>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 9:29 PM
>> Subject: RE: vinyl dye spray
>>
>>
>> >
>> > Sounds like Meltonian is the way to go..
>> >
>> > but I wonder if your problems with SEM was painting too thick.. I got
>> > very good results with very light coats, applied 10 minutes apart.
>> >
>> > I applied white over blue and it took about 8 to 10 light coats.. and
>> > you have to be sure to use either "Sand Free" or "Adhesion Promoter"
>> > before the color. it softens the vinyl and allows the color to bond with
>> > the vinyl.
>> >
>> > John Hammond wrote:
>> >>
>> >> If you are looking to go with black, without question... Meltonian
>> >> Nu-Life
>> >> color spray.  Used mostly for leather shoes
>> >> and available from shoe repair shops or EBAY -  the stuff is awesome!!
>> >> Look
>> >> for buys on the larger 12-14 oz cans since
>> >> the small 4.5oz would be cost prohibitive.  Gloss is just right and the
>> >> durability and touch-up cabaibility is second to none!!
>> >> I never had any luck with SEM products on anything but a headliner and
>> >> even
>> >> then only if you really layed it on thick. The
>> >> Meltonian stuff covers well and sticks like nothing else I've ever seen
>> >> of
>> >> this type of product.  It does come in a large number
>> >> of colors but whether or not the're available in large size I don't
>> >> know.
>> >> One other item I've had good success with is (Believe
>> >> it or not),  is Krylon Fusion.  This has less use potential due to
>> >> avaialble
>> >> color and gloss choices but if one works for ya it's
>> >> basically a better, (and less expensive), product than any of the the
>> >> so-called vinyl-dyes out there.  The guy that turned me
>> >> on to the Meltonian stuff said he had used it on the grip of a Buick
>> >> Grand
>> >> National wheel that was in a daily driven car. Two
>> >> years later it still looked like the day it was sprayed.  I really
>> >> doubted
>> >> this until I tried the stuff...I think now the claim is pro-
>> >> bably a fact.  As an extra note the sprays from Dupli-Color aren't too
>> >> bad
>> >> (better than SEM in my book), but I wouldn't
>> >> use anything other than the Meltonian if I could get what I needed in
>> >> their
>> >> line.  As far as prep goes, clean with a good upholstry
>> >> cleaner, allow to thoroughly dry, wipe down with a solvent of some sort,
>> >>
>> >> (rubbing alchol works well), blow off any towel lint
>> >> with compressed air and give it a go. You just want to make sure that
>> >> ALL
>> >> traces of silicones (armor-all type products) are
>> >> removed especially in the pleats and seamed areas.
>> >>
>> >> John Hammond
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Wayne Huseby" <wchuseby@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
>> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 03, 2009 10:57 AM
>> >> Subject: vinyl dye spray
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > I am replacing the black bucket seat covers with replcements from
>> >> > Legendary but will be using the vinyl dye spray for the rear seat. Does
>> >> > anyone have a recommendation on a good source for the spray and if the
>> >> > spray should be gloss, semi-gloss, satin or what to match the new front
>> >> > covers?
>> >> > What have your experiences been with the product and is it really
>> >> > necessary to use there preparation spray rather than a really good
>> >> > cleaning? I'm not trying to cut corners on the prepping just if a good
>> >> > cleaning is all that is required prior to spraying.
>> >> > thanks in advance.
>> >> >
>> >> > Wayne Huseby
>> >> > 64 polara 500
>> >
>>
>
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