Re: Beginners question sorry

[Joey <jake4@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I have a retired Dana engineer storing his 56 Plymouth in my shop, he has 
owned the car since 59' and has shown me time slips from back in the 60's @ 
Union Grove dragway where this car ran in the 12's with a dual quad Poly. 
The car currently has a healthy 440, 727 combo that he is trying to sell so 
he can revert back to a combination of a Poly backed by a Doug Nash 5-speed. 
Poly heads seem to be a rather rabid crowd.
Joey
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MO ( Steve Mick)" <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 1:48 AM
Subject: Re: Beginners question sorry


> Thanks Gary for the poly lesson. I never knew much about them. I just know 
> the old 318 ran pretty good !................................MO
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Gary Pavlovich" <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 11:52 PM
> Subject: Re: Beginners question sorry
>
>
> > Dave,
> >
> > The  318A "Poly" engine that many refer to is nicknamed a "Poly" because 
> > the head design is a Polyspherical combustion chamber with canted valves 
> > (angled intake & offset from the exhaust - not in the same plane and side 
> > by side as the Wedge chamber) as opposed to a HEMIspherical chamber.
> >
> > The Plymouth Poly was produced from 1956-66 as a 277, 301, 303, 313, 318, 
> > and 326 (1959 Dodge only) and shares many of the same parts as the later 
> > 273/318/340/360LA Wedge-head engines.  Sometimes the aforementioned 
> > Wedge-head engines are mistakenly called "A" engines which can be 
> > confusing.
> >
> > Interestingly, the modern 4.7 Chrysler engines are a Polyspherical 
> > chamber design and not a wedge design; even the new HEMI's are not true 
> > 90degree Hemispherical valve layout.
> >
> > The BMEP, brake-mean-effective-pressure of a Poly engine is far superior 
> > to the Wedge chamber and slightly behind the HEMI;
> >
> > "...the poly engine had one absolutely unique feature: its volumetric 
> > efficiency. If the Mopar figures as found in the Plymouth factory manual 
> > are to be believed, torque of the poly 318 was 345 lb.ft. Now, take 
> > torque and divide it by cubes, then multiply this by 151, and you get 
> > brake mean effective pressure (bmep). Try it for your self: bmep for the 
> > poly 318 is 164 psi. (Again, that's the figure Plymouth gives). That is 
> > near to the theoretical limit for an unsupercharged engine (and that's 
> > with the old log-type exhaust manifolds too) and is very close to the 426 
> > hemi's bmep of 173psi, which had all those performance-designed 
> > components. The bmep figure purely reflects breathing efficiency 
> > (proportional use of the charge coming into the engine), and is a product 
> > of the head, as opposed to the block, which just needs to suck/blow as 
> > rapidly as possible without flying into little pieces..."
> >
> > Gary Pavlovich
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Dave Isle" <mnwildpunk@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:56 PM
> > Subject: Beginners question sorry
> >
> >
> > > I see a lot of you guys saying you have a poly this or a poly that. I 
> > > know it is a type of engine but which one is it and what makes it a 
> > > poly.
> > >
> > >                Thank you for being patient and answering this probably 
> > > silly question.     Dave
> > > Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
> > >
> > >
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