RE: Beginners question sorry

[Steven Charette <stevec@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Well I guess that explains it... I've been trying to wrap my head around why
the Fury makes so much smooth power compared to later and/or big block cars
with "more" technology.  I was constantly amazed by how smooth the thing
would pull up an on ramp or a mountain pass with the little 318 in high gear
- again trying to relate it to bigger motors... then again I'm not telling
you guys anything. 

Pretty amazing for an engine designed on paper by men with slide-rules and
pencils.

SC

-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Pavlovich [mailto:glpavlovich@xxxxxxx] 
Sent: Friday, December 11, 2009 12:52 AM
To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: Beginners question sorry


Dave,

The  318A "Poly" engine that many refer to is nicknamed a "Poly" because the
head design is a Polyspherical combustion chamber with canted valves (angled
intake & offset from the exhaust - not in the same plane and side by side as
the Wedge chamber) as opposed to a HEMIspherical chamber.

The Plymouth Poly was produced from 1956-66 as a 277, 301, 303, 313, 318,
and 326 (1959 Dodge only) and shares many of the same parts as the later
273/318/340/360LA Wedge-head engines.  Sometimes the aforementioned
Wedge-head engines are mistakenly called "A" engines which can be confusing.

Interestingly, the modern 4.7 Chrysler engines are a Polyspherical chamber
design and not a wedge design; even the new HEMI's are not true 90degree
Hemispherical valve layout.

The BMEP, brake-mean-effective-pressure of a Poly engine is far superior to
the Wedge chamber and slightly behind the HEMI;

"...the poly engine had one absolutely unique feature: its volumetric
efficiency. If the Mopar figures as found in the Plymouth factory manual are
to be believed, torque of the poly 318 was 345 lb.ft. Now, take torque and
divide it by cubes, then multiply this by 151, and you get brake mean
effective pressure (bmep). Try it for your self: bmep for the poly 318 is
164 psi. (Again, that's the figure Plymouth gives). That is near to the
theoretical limit for an unsupercharged engine (and that's with the old
log-type exhaust manifolds too) and is very close to the 426 hemi's bmep of
173psi, which had all those performance-designed components. The bmep figure
purely reflects breathing efficiency (proportional use of the charge coming
into the engine), and is a product of the head, as opposed to the block,
which just needs to suck/blow as rapidly as possible without flying into
little pieces..."

Gary Pavlovich
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Isle" <mnwildpunk@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2009 8:56 PM
Subject: Beginners question sorry


>
> I see a lot of you guys saying you have a poly this or a poly that. I know

> it is a type of engine but which one is it and what makes it a poly.
>
>                Thank you for being patient and answering this probably 
> silly question.     Dave
> Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
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