RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas

[William Harrison <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>]

It wasn't unleaded in the 60's, at least at our local airport.


--- On Tue, 1/26/10, Doug Jacobsma <big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Doug Jacobsma <big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 10:41 PM
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> When I was racing, I was driving a tank wagon for a living,
> and one of my customers was the local airport.  I always
> had a good supply of av-gas on hand.  What most people
> didn't realize, was that it was unleaded even back then.
> 
> Jake
> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
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> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 16:50:29 -0600
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> > The guys that I know that used mothballs and swore by
> them had a five gallon
> > gas can that they did their secrete mixing in and then
> poured the concoction
> > through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with cheese
> cloth directly into
> > their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260. They
> also had two inline
> > filters on their cars. Don't recall that they had any
> fuel problems, or any
> > that they would talk about. If I remember correctly I
> read that mothballs
> > mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule to
> the mixture, so it
> > makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat like a
> crude precursor to
> > the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy that
> swore the purple dye
> > that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his secrete
> performance enhancer.
> > That said I also remember one guy bragging that he ran
> jet fuel mixed with
> > his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is just
> diesel fuel run through
> > another refining process. And regular gasoline is two
> or three more steps
> > above that. Now if he was bragging that he used the
> high octane Aviation
> > Gas like I ran then he might have something to brag
> about. I used to keep
> > my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to
> spot me a couple of
> > cars or more just to make the race even. (-; Just my
> two C!!
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> >          
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> > Herb
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> > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
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> > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
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> > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
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> > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> >
> > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> >
> > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> >
> > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
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> > St. Louis, MO.
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> > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html

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> > -------Original Message-------
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> > From: Doug Jacobsma
> >
> > Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> >
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
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> > I haven't tried it either. What I've been told is it
> will leave enough to
> > eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
> what the Harley guys
> > have found.
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> > Jake
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> > '63 Sport Fury 'vert
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> > '04 Harley FXDWG
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> >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
> >> Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
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> >
> >> What kind of residue does it leave. Would it
> buildup in your tank and
> >
> >> fuel lines?
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> >> Not that I plan on trying it, but am curious about
> the adverse effect to
> >
> >> car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
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> >> --Tom
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> >> Ollie wrote:
> >
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> >>> Very Interesting,
> >
> >>> Thanks
> >
> >>> Ollie
> >
> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steven
> Charette"
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
> >
> >>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
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> >>> Jake,
> >
> >>> Excellent information, thanks!
> >
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> >>> SC
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> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >
> >>> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> >
> >>> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
> >
> >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
> >>>
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> >>>
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> >>>
> >
> >>> The subject of moth balls in gas has come up
> on a Harley board I
> >
> >>> frequent,
> >
> >>> as we are always looking for better gas with
> those too. Seems there is a
> >
> >>> chemical ingredient in moth balls that will
> enhance octane some, it was
> >
> >>> indeed used by old time racers, but those who
> have tried it have found it
> >
> >>> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it has
> some other unwanted
> >
> >>> characteristics.
> >
> >>> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas additive
> and a couple others that
> >
> >>> list
> >
> >>> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good as an
> upper lube also.
> >
> >>> Anyway, here's what we came up with as far as
> moth balls go:
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> >>>
> >
> >>> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> There are two different types of moth balls -
> The older type is
> >
> >>> composted of
> >
> >>> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted of
> Paradichlorobenzene.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Both types sublimate from a solid straight to
> a a gas- the gas is
> >
> >>> toxic to
> >
> >>> moths.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> The main threat is breathing the fumes, also
> may have camphor added as a
> >
> >>> insect repellent. They also used to clean the
> pipes on wood burning
> >
> >>> stoves.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Dangers are:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Solvent abuse by kids
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> >>>
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> >>> Carcinogen
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Forms a bond with soil that will kill
> beneficial soil insects.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> It has been proven plausible that adding moth
> balls to a fuel tank will
> >
> >>> improve HP.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Listed by the EPA and other Government sources
> as a pesticide
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control yearly
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of Defense
> yearly
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market
> yearly
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
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> >>>
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> >>> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and eyes
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting -
> nausea - headaches -
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> >>> shortness of
> >
> >>> breath - coughing - burning eyes
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Naphthalene can also kill red blood cells
> causing hemolytic anemia and is
> >
> >>> also linked to nasal cancer.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Moth
> >
> >>> crystals are made from Paradichlorobenzene
> (PDB) which is more toxic than
> >
> >>> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on plastics
> may melt them.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing cancer.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Repeated inhalation can be fatal - especially
> for children,elderly
> >
> >>> people,pets, and indirectly for fetuses.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Possible effects: vapor irritates skin,eyes
> and respiratory tract,large
> >
> >>> doses can cause injury to liver,suspected
> carcinogen.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Naphthalene
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure has led
> to cataract formation.
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>>
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> >>>
> >
> >>> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a bottle!
> >
> >>>
> >
> >>> Jake
> >
> >>> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> >
> >>>
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> >>>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> >
> >>>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and how
> much compression we can run on
> >
> >>>> pump gas w
> >
> >>>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39 -0800
> >
> >>>>
> >
> >>>> I remember when I was a kid that my dad
> used to add moth balls to his
> >
> >>> gasoline for his circle track racer in the
> 40's and 50's.
> >
> >>>> I don't know what the ratio was but he won
> a lot of races.
> >
> >>>> Later
> >
> >>>> Bill Harrison
> >
> >>>>
> >
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