Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
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Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
- From: William Harrison <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 17:13:10 -0800 (PST)
Be nice or I won't send that poly cam.....
Just waiting to get my stroker built before I tear the poly down to see how many parts are still good.
Later
Bill
BTW my wife would say that you are as sarcastic as I am and then just roll her eyes.
--- On Thu, 1/28/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Thursday, January 28, 2010, 6:44 PM
>
> Agreed, but it makes a great gasket sealant.
>
> Gary P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Dodger7998@xxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 3:38 PM
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>
>
>
>
> Careful Gary,,,,,,,,,that cheeze whiz is not like fine wine
> aged to
> perfection
>
>
> In a message dated 1/28/2010 4:55:00 P.M. Central Standard
> Time,
> glpavlovich@xxxxxxx
> writes:
>
>
> Ahhh, Yoda-Master Bill, aka "Hot-Rod Harrison;" your
> humble servant in
> training (not training pants again...) do acknowledge
> some "wing of bat,
> eye
> of nute" concoctions of yore and monstrous
> transformations that forbad
> many
> a would-be racer at the stroke of midnight to
> challenge a finned
> monoclonal
> beast of the Mastodon class - our beloved finned
> Fury's and the like.
>
> I will look for some "vintage" moth-balls at my 89
> yr.old mother's house;
> found a crusty tin of "Glass Wax" yesterday and a
> 1974 jar of Cheese
> Whiz...
>
> Gary Pavlovich
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Harrison" <bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, January 28, 2010 6:33 AM
> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
>
>
> Some times grasshopper it is better to listen to experience
> and not look
> down on the old ways.
> Many witches brews and home remedies are the basis
> for many of todays
> modern
> meds.
> And the old time racers that used moth balls
> ground them up into a fine
> powder before they added them to their gas, that's
> from one of my uncles
> who
> worked the pits for my dad when he raced, and he also
> told me that it was
> common practice to replace all filters back then
> because they raced on
> dirt
> but they never had trouble with carbs or gas tanks
> being gunked up.
> Later
> Bill Harrison
> 65 Coronet 2 dr post
>
> --- On Tue, 1/26/10, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2010, 8:30 PM
> >
> > Interesting discussion on moth balls and
> octane.
> >
> > I hardly trust our current fuel mix let alone a
> witch's
> > brew, but I think I
> > just repeated myself. Anyhow I have come
> > across/investigated the following
> > two octane boosters that show merit; a
> significant real
> > octane boost for
> > minimal cost p/gal outlay.
> >
> > The two boosters are MachTane and Kemco Octane
> Supreme
> > 130. I ordered one
> > qt. of the MachTane and a case of the Kemco
> 130.
> > Additionally, if either
> > product shows merit I may be buying regular to
> large
> > quantities.
> >
> > Anyhow, the information is out there now and if
> anyone else
> > gives it a test
> > let me know your results and we can compare
> notes.
> >
> > I would suspect that our 91 pump unleaded
> swamp-water in CA
> > is good for 9.5
> > to near 10 to 1 compression MAX depending a
> great deal on
> > internal engine
> > factors where the 10 to 1 ratio is concerned.
> > However, I am extremely
> > encouraged that a true 10 to 1 compression
> engine can be
> > run economically
> > with either of these boosters; testing to
> follow. If
> > I am correct in my
> > pre-assessment, the cost basis would be approx.
> a $1 p/gal.
> > increase in fuel
> > cost to run a 10 to 1 motor.
> >
> > I will keep you posted.
> >
> > Gary Pavlovich
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Herb" <zephyr9900@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 2:50 PM
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The guys that I know that used mothballs and
> swore by them
> > had a five gallon
> > gas can that they did their secrete mixing in
> and then
> > poured the concoction
> > through a paint filter in a funnel stuffed with
> cheese
> > cloth directly into
> > their tank, and then filled it with Sunoco 260.
> They
> > also had two inline
> > filters on their cars. Don't recall that they
> had any
> > fuel problems, or any
> > that they would talk about. If I remember
> correctly I
> > read that mothballs
> > mixed with gasoline added an extra oxygen molecule
> to the
> > mixture, so it
> > makes sense that it would make more HP somewhat
> like a
> > crude precursor to
> > the nitros set-ups of today. We also had a guy
> that
> > swore the purple dye
> > that Martin Gas Co. put in their ethyl was his
> secrete
> > performance enhancer.
> > That said I also remember one guy bragging that he
> > ran jet fuel mixed with
> > his gas. The problem with that is jet fuel is
> just
> > diesel fuel run through
> > another refining process. And regular gasoline
> is two
> > or three more steps
> > above that. Now if he was bragging that he used
> the
> > high octane Aviation
> > Gas like I ran then he might have something to
> brag
> > about. I used to keep
> > my mouth shut and used their bragging as leverage to
> spot
> > me a couple of
> > cars or more just to make the race even. (-;
> > Just my two C!!
> >
> >
> > Herb
> >
> > 1956 Plymouth Belvedere 361
> > 1959 Coronet 326 Poly
> > 1963 Fury 2D/HT 6.1
> > 1963 Sport Fury Convertible 361
> > 1970 Challenger RT 440 - 4 Sale
> > 1999 Durango SLT 5.9
> > 2008 SRT-8 Magnum 6.1
> > St. Louis, MO.
> >
> > http://1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mmo42009.html
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -------Original Message-------
> >
> > From: Doug Jacobsma
> > Date: 1/26/2010 3:54:46 PM
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in gas
> >
> >
> > I haven't tried it either. What I've been told
> is it
> > will leave enough to
> > eventually gunk up your fuel filter. Atleast thats
> > what the Harley guys
> > have found.
> >
> > Jake
> > '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> > '04 Harley FXDWG
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----------------------------------------
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > From: tomwatters@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild / moth balls in
> gas
> > > Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2010 07:59:00 -0700
> > >
> > > What kind of residue does it leave. Would
> it buildup
> > in your tank and
> > > fuel lines?
> > >
> > > Not that I plan on trying it, but am
> curious about the
> > adverse effect to
> > > car's. Seems pretty toxic to people.
> > >
> > > --Tom
> > > Ollie wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Very Interesting,
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Ollie
> > >> ----- Original Message ----- From:
> "Steven
> > Charette"
> > >>
> > >> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:22 AM
> > >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
> in gas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Jake,
> > >> Excellent information, thanks!
> > >>
> > >> SC
> > >>
> > >> -----Original Message-----
> > >> From: Doug Jacobsma [mailto:big_jake57@xxxxxxxxxxx]
> > >> Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 9:56 AM
> > >> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >> Subject: RE: 273 Rebuild / moth balls
> in gas
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> The subject of moth balls in gas has
> come up on a
> > Harley board I
> > >> frequent,
> > >> as we are always looking for better gas
> with those
> > too. Seems there is a
> > >> chemical ingredient in moth balls that
> will
> > enhance octane some, it was
> > >> indeed used by old time racers, but
> those who have
> > tried it have found it
> > >> leaves a bit of residue behind, plus it
> has some
> > other unwanted
> > >> characteristics.
> > >> I've had pretty good luck with Lucas
> additive and
> > a couple others that
> > >> list
> > >> jet fuel as the carrier. Says it's good
> as an
> > upper lube also.
> > >> Anyway, here's what we came up with as
> far as moth
> > balls go:
> > >>
> > >> JUST SO YA KNOW !
> > >>
> > >> There are two different types of moth
> balls - The
> > older type is
> > >> composted of
> > >> Naphthalene and the newer type is composted
> of
> > Paradichlorobenzene.
> > >>
> > >> Both types sublimate from a solid
> straight to a a
> > gas- the gas is
> > >> toxic to
> > >> moths.
> > >>
> > >> The main threat is breathing the fumes,
> also may
> > have camphor added as a
> > >> insect repellent. They also used to
> clean the
> > pipes on wood burning
> > >> stoves.
> > >>
> > >> Dangers are:
> > >>
> > >> Inhaling concentrated fumes
> > >>
> > >> ingesting or eating them - HIGHLY TOXIC!
> > >>
> > >> Solvent abuse by kids
> > >>
> > >> Carcinogen
> > >>
> > >> Forms a bond with soil that will kill
> beneficial
> > soil insects.
> > >>
> > >> It has been proven plausible that
> adding moth
> > balls to a fuel tank will
> > >> improve HP.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Listed by the EPA and other Government
> sources as
> > a pesticide
> > >>
> > >> 7.5 million lbs. used as pest control
> yearly
> > >>
> > >> 369 million lbs. used by the Dept. of
> Defense
> > yearly
> > >>
> > >> 1.84 billion lbs. used by US jet market
> yearly
> > >>
> > >> Toxic level 2 - for inhaling
> > >>
> > >> Toxic level 3 - for contact to skin and
> eyes
> > >>
> > >> Inhalation causes dizziness - vomiting
> - nausea -
> > headaches -
> > >> shortness of
> > >> breath - coughing - burning eyes
> > >>
> > >> Naphthalene can also kill red blood
> cells causing
> > hemolytic anemia and is
> > >> also linked to nasal cancer.
> > >>
> > >> Moth
> > >> crystals are made from
> Paradichlorobenzene (PDB)
> > which is more toxic than
> > >> Naphthalene. Prolonged exposure on
> plastics may
> > melt them.
> > >>
> > >> PDB is a suspected carcinogen causing
> cancer.
> > >>
> > >> Repeated inhalation can be fatal -
> especially for
> > children,elderly
> > >> people,pets, and indirectly for
> fetuses.
> > >>
> > >> TO SUM IT UP Paradichlorobenzene:
> > >>
> > >> Possible effects: vapor irritates
> skin,eyes and
> > respiratory tract,large
> > >> doses can cause injury to
> liver,suspected
> > carcinogen.
> > >>
> > >> Naphthalene
> > >>
> > >> damages liver,prolonged vapor exposure
> has led to
> > cataract formation.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Think I'll stick to the stuff in a
> bottle!
> > >>
> > >> Jake
> > >> '63 Sport Fury 'vert
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > >>> From: bbjt3@xxxxxxxxx
> > >>> Subject: Re: 273 Rebuild status and
> how much
> > compression we can run on
> > >>> pump gas w
> > >>> Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2010 03:17:39
> -0800
> > >>>
> > >>> I remember when I was a kid that my
> dad used
> > to add moth balls to his
> > >> gasoline for his circle track racer in
> the 40's
> > and 50's.
> > >>> I don't know what the ratio was but
> he won a
> > lot of races.
> > >>> Later
> > >>> Bill Harrison
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
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