RE: Super Stock Springs Update

[Jeff Adams <ledman_70@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I feel your pain Dave (literally). Last summer when I painted my 68 
Sport Fury I did so much wet sanding I had to go get quartozone shots in 
both my shoulders (arthritis) they hurt so bad. For the next 4 weeks I 
sanded my A$$ off cause I couldn't feel any pain! Too bad the shots are 
so expensive and only last a month... I could have gotten a lot of work 
done!
Dave64 wrote:
> 
> Success!  I took it all apart with the initial idea that I'd try the 
> stock =
> hangers.  I measured my old springs and the new springs.  The difference 
> in=
>  the front segment is 1 1/4" (21" stock v. 19 3/4" Super Stock).  The 
>  drive=
> shaft measured out to have right about 1 1/2" of total travel in it.  It 
> wa=
> s maxed out rearward with the 2" extended front hangers.  I determined 
> that=
>  it probably wouldn't bolt back on if I used the stock hangers - or if it 
>  d=
> id it would be maxed out forward with no play.  So I drilled new holes 
> in t=
> he 2" hangers - 3/4" forward.  Because it was so close to the two 
> original =
> holes they came with, I had to drill the new hole forward and in the 
> middle=
>  of the existing holes.  So I lost just a bit of height (no big deal), 
>  and =
> the ability to adjust them up or down if I want.  I actually could drill 
> mo=
> re holes higher up for adjustability if I want.  By my math - with this 
> new=
>  setup - my driveshaft should have 3/4" of travel each forward and
>  back.  I put it all back together, and viola!  No more vibration.  Still 
>  l=
> ooks great, too.  I'm a happy camper now. =20
> 
> Just one casualty tonight.  When I was putting one of the springs back 
> on I=
>  pushed it with bad body position (mine), and something popped in my arm. 
>   =
> It hurts big time and is basically unusable.  My wife tried to drag me 
> to t=
> he doc, but you know how that is.  I finished the job - which took 
> longer w=
> ith only one good wing.  Afterward I took a Vicodin (left over from my 
> hip =
> surgery), and we'll see what happens.  She thinks I ruptured a biceps 
> tendo=
> n.  I'll give it through the weekend, and if no progress, I'll go to the 
> do=
> c.  I'm glad this solution worked, because I won't be able to do 
> anything l=
> ike that again for awhile until my arm heals.
> 
> Thanks guys for all of your help!
> 
> Dave
> 
> --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> 
> > From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 10:44 PM
> > Maybe I'll just drill my own holes in
> > the 2" hangers.=C2=A0 @ things I forgot to mention in my
> > last bit of info.=C2=A0 Yes, my driveshaft is a ball and
> > trunion.=C2=A0 And I also see that my pinion snubber lines
> > up to contact nothing but air under there - it won't hit the
> > underside of the car as it is.=C2=A0 Another indication that
> > the whole thing is back too far.
> >=20
> > Dave
> >=20
> > --- On Sat, 6/5/10, Donald Gallimore <dongallimore@xxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >=20
> > > From: Donald Gallimore <dongallimore@xxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Saturday, June 5, 2010, 12:20 PM
> > > I=C2=A0did a lot of=C2=A0buy and try effort
> > > with my '65 Belvedere trying to get the=C2=A0correct
> > front
> > > spring hangers.=C2=A0 The 2" was too much (no pun
> > intended), the
> > > factory unit was too short.=C2=A0 I ended up=C2=A0using an
> > A-Body
> > > set I found at a swap meet.=C2=A0 They moved the spring
> > perch
> > > back=C2=A0about 1".=C2=A0 Note that=C2=A0from what I've read,
> > there is a
> > > difference in front spring eye location=C2=A0between the
> > '65
> > > Belvedere's and=C2=A0'65=C2=A0Coronets.=C2=A0 There=C2=A0is a=C2=A01"
> > > difference.=C2=A0 The Belvedere is 116" wheelbase and the
> > > Coronet 117".=C2=A0 Read that in the Darrell Davis book on
> > the
> > > '65 Hemi cars.=C2=A0Anyone got that book handy that could
> > > veryify that info and supply the details?
> > >=20
> > > Measured the the frame to spring eye on my cars in
> > the
> > > garage.=C2=A0 For the dead stock '65 Satellite, it is 2
> > 3/8".=C2=A0
> > > For the '65 Belvedere with the SS springs and the
> > A-Body
> > > front spring hanger, it is 3 1/2".=C2=A0 So, by deduction,
> > it
> > > appears the difference is roughly 1" between the stock
> > and
> > > SS front spring segment length.=C2=A0 Again, this is a
> > B-Body
> > > Plymouth, not a Dodge.
> > >=20
> > > Akron Don Gallimore
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > >=20
> > > ----- Original Message ----
> > > > From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Sent: Sat, June 5, 2010 11:42:54 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > > >=20
> > > > I switched the driveshaft around - no change.=C2=A0
> > The
> > > brakes are ok - no=20
> > > > draging.=C2=A0 I noticed the rear wheels are back
> > farther
> > > than before - which=20
> > > > got me thinking about the extended front
> > hangers.=C2=A0
> > > The driveshaft is back=20
> > > > about as far as it will go to connect now.=C2=A0 So
> > this
> > > appears to be at least=20
> > > > part of the issue.=C2=A0 The pinion angle looks like
> > it's
> > > about 0 degrees at the=20
> > > > moment - so this could be another part.=C2=A0 The DC
> > book
> > > says 5-7 degrees nose=20
> > > > down - but I think that's more for racing.=C2=A0
> > About 3
> > > degrees or so may be=20
> > > > about right for the street?=C2=A0 What's the best
> > way
> > > (tool) to accurately=20
> > > > measure it?=20
> > >=20
> > > When I noticed the wheels are back farther, I thought
> > about
> > >=20
> > > > taking the 2" front hangers off and putting the
> > stock
> > > ones back on.=C2=A0 This=20
> > > > would move the rearend forward about 2".=C2=A0 If I
> > push
> > > the driveshaft in all=20
> > > > the way, I have about that much, so that might
> > push it
> > > in to the max or close to=20
> > > > it.=C2=A0 I don't know if that would be good or
> > not.=C2=A0 If
> > > I go back to the=20
> > > > stock front hangers, it may also push the nose of
> > the
> > > pinion up more - going in=20
> > > > the opposite direction of where it needs to go.=C2=A0
> > But
> > > then shims could=20
> > > > correct that.=C2=A0 I think part of the issue is the
> > 2"
> > > extended front=20
> > > > hangers.=C2=A0 I think about 1" would be a happy
> > medium -
> > > seems that 2" is too=20
> > > > much, but stock is too little.=C2=A0 I could put the
> > front
> > > spring eyes up in the=20
> > > > upper mounting hole (they're in the lowers now),
> > but I
> > > don't think that would=20
> > > > change much.=C2=A0 Maybe it would?
> > >=20
> > > At this point, I'm out of time.=C2=A0=20
> > > > My daughter is graduating from HS tomorrow, and
> > I
> > > can't experiment any more=20
> > > > today and also help get a party ready.=C2=A0 I'm
> > > disappointed that I won't get=20
> > > > to drive the car to her graduation, but the
> > weather
> > > may have eliminated that=20
> > > > anyway.=C2=A0 Once we're past this weekend, I'll
> > > experiment some more.=C2=A0 I=20
> > > > think my next move may be to put the stock front
> > > hangers back on and see what=20
> > > > that does.
> > >=20
> > > Thanks for the help, and keep the ideas=20
> > > > coming.
> > >=20
> > > Dave=C2=A0=20
> > >=20
> > > --- On Fri, 6/4/10, MO ( Steve Mick) <>
> > > ymailto=3D"mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
> > >=20
> > > > href=3D"mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >=20
> > > > wrote:
> > >=20
> > > > From: MO ( Steve Mick) <>
> > ymailto=3D"mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
> > >=20
> > > > href=3D"mailto:micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > >=20
> > > > Subject: Re: Super Stock Springs Update
> > > > To: > ymailto=3D"mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";
> > >=20
> > > > href=3D"mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxx=
> om
> > > >=20
> > > > Date: Friday, June 4, 2010, 5:37 PM
> > > >=20
> > > > On ball and trunions and=20
> > > > slip yokes. You must be sure that
> > > > with car weight on the axels, that=20
> > > > there is room for the
> > > > drive shaft to be able to "give" frontward and=20
> > > > backward.
> > > > without bottoming out.=C2=A0 With slip yokes, if they
> > are
> > >=20
> > > > to
> > > > close to the spline ends that will make the yoke
> > loose
> > > and
> > > >=20
> > > > definatly make a viberation. Also if the yoke
> > splines
> > > are
> > > > worn and loose=20
> > > > fitting, that will make a vibration.=C2=A0
> > > > Even brake shoe drag will make a=20
> > > > vibration you would think
> > > > was coming from the
> > > >=20
> > > > driveline...............................MO
> > > >=20
> > > > {Steve Mick}
> > > >=20
> > > > http://www.1962to1965mopar.ornocar.com/mick64.html
> > > >=20
> > > > -----=20
> > > > Original Message ----- From: "David Bailey"
> > <>
> > > ymailto=3D"mailto:bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx";
> > >=20
> > > > href=3D"mailto:bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx";>bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To:=20
> > > > <> href=3D"mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@topic=
> a.com>
> > > >=20
> > > > Sent: Friday, June 04, 2010 6:40 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: Super Stock Springs=20
> > > > Update
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > I=E2=80=99m no expert by=20
> > > > far, but I=E2=80=99d be inclined to agree with
> > > > your suspicions=E2=80=A6that is 1. To=20
> > > > check drive shaft length /
> > > > straightness and what about the universal(s)=20
> > > > joints / Ball
> > > > Trunion, are these fresh? By a remote chance,
> > maybe=20
> > > > by
> > > > simply rotating the drive shaft connecting point
> > > could
> > > >=20
> > > > restore smooth operation.=C2=A0=C2=A0=C2=A0And 2. The pinion
> > > > angle, someone else will=20
> > > > know better but is the angle of 3
> > > > degrees still a commonly accepted=20
> > > > point?
> > > > Dave B.
> > > >=20
> > > >=20
> > > > > To: > ymailto=3D"mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";
> > >=20
> > > > href=3D"mailto:1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx";>1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxx=
> om
> > > >=20
> > > > > From: > href=3D"mailto:lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx";>lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx
> > > > > Subject:=20
> > > > Super Stock Springs Update
> > > > > Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 20:42:04=20
> > > > -0700
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > > After chasing after the correct=20
> > > > brake setup, I have my
> > > > '64 Belvedere all buttoned up and back on 4=20
> > > > wheels. Here's a
> > > > rundown of what I did.
> > > > > I installed a later=20
> > > > model 8 3/4 rearend (I think it's
> > > > a '68 B body). I used my old 741 third=20
> > > > member, put new green
> > > > bearings on the "new" axles, and put new brakes
> > on=20
> > > > it
> > > > (11'x2"). I also installed 3400lb SS springs with
> > the
> > > 2"
> > > >=20
> > > > extended front hanger brackets along with new
> > (longer)
> > > Mopar
> > > > drag=20
> > > > shocks.
> > > > >=20
> > > > > The result: I really like how it looks now,
> >=20
> > > > but it has
> > > > a bad vibration starting at around just 20 mph. A
> > few
> > > >=20
> > > > assessments I make are: the third member is my
> > old one
> > > - I
> > > > had no=20
> > > > problems before, so I'm figuring that is ok. The
> > > > axles look fine - don't=20
> > > > appear to be bent or anything, so
> > > > for now I think they're ok. No change=20
> > > > in tires or wheels, so
> > > > that shouldn't be it.
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > This leaves me with the theory that it's
> > driveshaft
> > > > related. Either the=20
> > > > length of the driveshaft could be an
> > > > issue (as suggested previously=20
> > > > here), or maybe the pinion
> > > > angle now isn't correct. Because I changed=20
> > > > several things
> > > > all at once, I've left myself in a position of=20
> > > > having
> > > > several possible areas that could be the problem.
> > And
> > > I=20
> > > > also
> > > > didn't have the forethought of measuring the
> > > driveshaft
> > > >=20
> > > > length or checking the pinion angle on my
> > previously
> > > > non-vibrating=20
> > > > setup, so determining if those things are at
> > > > issue will be more of a=20
> > > > challenge. I'm bummed out that I did
> > > > a lot of work and now have a car=20
> > > > that's essentially not
> > > > driveable until I get this figured out and fixed.
> >=20
> > > > As always,
> > > > your help is much appreciated. What do you guys=20
> > > > think?
> > > > >=20
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >=20
> > > > >=20
> > > > Dave
> > > > > '64 Belvedere 2D HT, Auto
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