RE: Torque boxes (was More sub frame connector questions)

[David Bailey <bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Mo; you’re probably right with your thought of not needing to do both. I’ll ponder that one over. 
Dave
 
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> From: micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: Torque boxes (was More sub frame connector questions)
> Date: Mon, 20 Sep 2010 01:28:13 -0500
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> 
> David, Hammer( fellow list member)just sent me some additional pics of the 
> frame connectors that he designed and builds. These are a few little 
> improvments he has developed over the years , since the pics on the 62-65 
> website were posted. These appear to be the best connectors I have seen. 
> IMO I don't think anyone would need torque boxes with his connectors. Only 
> downside I can see would be that they protrude slightly into the rear 
> floor-pan. Howerver that just adds to the strength as they are welded to the 
> floor. Thats GOT to help with twisting forces. Anyone have a suggestion for 
> making the rear carpet look and fit right? .....................MO
> 
> {Steve Mick}
> http://stevemick.shutterfly.com/pictures#Part%202
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> From: "David Bailey" <bb64d440@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2010 8:53 AM
> Subject: RE: Torque boxes (was More sub frame connector questions)
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> Thanks Gary! Those articles on torque boxes and frame rail connectors where 
> just the ticket! For instance, the areas I described in my previous 
> description would be more aptly referred to as the “rocker box” where the 
> longitudinal frame rails are tied to the rockers at the front or rear, 
> where-as; with the presents or addition of a cover plate (lid) to enclose 
> the rocker box, it then becomes known as a torque box. This stuff might be 
> old hat to most but of great value to me.
> The frame connector info was also very interesting. The diagram drawings of 
> the Mopar chassis as per the web site, indicated the connectors attaching 
> squarely to the rear frame rail running straightforward attaching to the 
> front cross member at a slight off-set to the front frame rail. Thought the 
> offset is marginal, it’s the kind of info I was looking for.
> The last thing learned is necessity. Although the factory applied torque 
> boxes only to particularly high HP cars and convertibles, and not the more 
> standard models even though some (like mine) came with HP 383’s, 4 barrels, 
> dual exhaust and 4 speeds w/ sure-grip, these cars are nearing 47 years old. 
> Not knowing any history of my car, I have to assume it was repeatedly 
> thrashed on plus Mother Nature wanting to restore this hunk of metal back to 
> the earth from which it came, well we know it’s no longer factory fresh to 
> say the least. So even thought I may not “theoretically” need torque boxes 
> or frame connectors, I’m now convinced I do need them if for no other 
> reason, then to help tighten the car up to reduce or prevent at least some 
> of those old unwanted squeaks and rattles.
> Thanks for the help guys!
> Dave B.
> 
> 
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxx
> > From: spigot2039@xxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: Torque boxes (was More sub frame connector questions)
> > Date: Sat, 18 Sep 2010 12:37:53 -0500
> >
> >
> > Here are some links to 4 articles that can provide some Mopar background:
> >
> > 1 Get Connected
> > 2 Torqued Up
> > 3 Boxing Match
> > http://www.autorust.com/m_boxi.html
> >
> > and 4 
> > http://www.moparmusclemagazine.com/projectbuild/mopp_0612_classic_barracuda/index.html
> >
> > Let us know how that helps, or not. :)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Gary H.
> >
> > -----Original Message----- 
> > >
> > >
> > >I want to start by thanking Gary H. for the very interesting referral to 
> > >our site on “Sub frame connectors” and MO and Paul H. for their, also 
> > >very interesting contributions thus far in my quest for selecting or 
> > >choice of using sub frame connectors or not at all.
> > >Then the question of “torque boxes” was raised. Perhaps I need more Mopar 
> > >training? (I certainly would appreciate it) Allow me to explain my use of 
> > >the term. Where the trans cross member ties to the inner rocker and just 
> > >forward of that is a plate also tying the inner rocker to the frame rail, 
> > >hence forming a kind of structural box shape. Similarly, at the rear is 
> > >the spring mount plate tying the inner rocker to the frame rail and just 
> > >forward of that is the rear floor pan and under seat floor pan joint. 
> > >This joint configuration forms a kind of structural shape also tying the 
> > >inner rocker to the rear frame rail sub assembly. So I naturally assumed 
> > >these were the four “torque box areas” that “all [our] Mopars” have BUT 
> > >in certain applications (like the Hemi or convertibles) would have 
> > >received added structural support to the “standard torque boxes”. So if 
> > >my thinking is wrong in this area I’d like to be corrected.
> > >Thanks in advance!
> > >Dave B
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