Re: Master Cylinder (was Brake Light Switch - and Electrical question before that!)

[Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks for the advice, Joe.  Even though I don't notice any leak down in the fluid - and the brakes work well - I've looked into that a bit.  I'd be interested in opinions on rebuilding the MC vs replacing with new or remanned - and also recommendations on brands preferred.  All 4 wheel cylinders are new in the past 2 years.  I'm running the original 10" drums up front and 11" drums in the rear.

Thanks,

Dave
'64 Belvedere 2DHT
318 Poly, Push Button Auto
Originally Florida A/C Car


--- On Sat, 6/11/11, Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> From: Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical question)
> To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 9:45 PM
> after viewing your pics dave that
> spring your seeing with the drips of old brake fluid hanging
> on should not be seen your rubber boot is deteriorated and
> will only lead to problems down the road it is already
> leaking some and not having the rubber boot on there will
> let dirt and moisture in to the bore on your master
> cylinder, eventually it will fail,having the old single
> resovoir master cylinder you better make sure your emergency
> brake works and practice applying it.If that were mine i
> think i would pull your master and either rebuild it or
> replace it cheaper than a front clip just my 2 cents but i
> have had failure in our single pot masters before and
> luckily i was only moving slowly and able to stop with quick
> e brake response stopping about 6 inches before hitting a
> steel locked gate.............  
> 
> --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> 
> > From: Dave64 <lt7dave@xxxxxxxxx>
> > Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical
> question)
> > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 6:15 PM
> > Thanks, guys.  Here are some
> > pics of mine.  Some are with the pedal up and some
> with
> > it depressed.  It's making contact with the bar of
> the
> > pedal and not the lighter colored pad (nub) - even
> though it
> > may look different in some of the pics.  I think it
> > should be lined up with the pad (nub), if I'm seeing
> what
> > you guys are describing.  What do you guys think?
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Dave
> > '64 Belvedere 2DHT
> > 318 Poly, Push Button Auto
> > Originally Florida A/C Car
> > 
> > 
> > --- On Fri, 6/10/11, Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> > 
> > > From: Joseph Bitterman <furyrestored@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was Electrical
> > question)
> > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 8:01 AM
> > > nub on the end of the rod that is
> > > exactly how mine is on my 65 500 ,i recently
> changed
> > my
> > > master cyllinder and the new one did not have the
> nub
> > behind
> > > the bushing at the pedal hook up pivot point
> that
> > touches
> > > the white plastic plunger on the switch and my
> brake
> > lights
> > > stayed on so i had to pull the master cylinder
> back
> > off and
> > > change the rod from my old to the new!works fine
> now
> > but i
> > > dont know why the company i bought my new master
> from
> > sent
> > > me one without the nub on it?actually when i
> installed
> > the
> > > new master i thought that i could loosen the
> switch
> > and move
> > > it forward enough to hit the nobless new rod but
> no
> > luck, so
> > > what i found out was it would have been much
> easier to
> > bench
> > > inspect old and new and switch out the rods
> before
> > > installing rather than install, pull, switch
> rods,
> > and
> > > install then rebleed as there is not alot of
> room
> > under
> > > there and all four bolts holding the master to
> the
> > firewall
> > > have the nuts on the inside a air ratchet sure
> made
> > the
> > >  job much easier!!!! although my 66 fury has
> the
> > nubless
> > > rod and the switch plunger actually hits on the
> flat
> > front
> > > of the brake pedal arm.............   
> > > 
> > > --- On Fri, 6/10/11, MO <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > 
> > > > From: MO <micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Subject: Re: Brake Light Switch (was
> Electrical
> > > question)
> > > > To: "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail List
> Clubhouse"
> > > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 2:06 AM
> > > > Dave ,  IIRC there is an
> > > > extension of the rod that comes out of the
> > > > master cylinder to the brake pedal  on past
> the
> > > > attaching bolt-
> > > > bushing. That extension pushes on the brake
> > light
> > > > switch.  I am pretty
> > > > sure that is the way on my 64 Dodge non-
> power
> > > > brakes.......................MO.
> > > > 
> > > > On Jun 9, 9:17 pm, Dave64 <lt7d...@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > I was fooling with mine this afternoon.
>  I
> > found
> > > that
> > > > the plunger was all gummed up inside the
> switch.
> >  I
> > > sprayed
> > > > it up with WD-40 to get it working again
> (must be
> > a
> > > spring
> > > > inside that was sticking).  So it seems to
> be
> > working
> > > fine
> > > > now.  A couple of questions, though.  
> > > > >
> > > > > The end of the plunger has a knob on
> it
> > that
> > > looks
> > > > like it should line up with a larger part of
> the
> > > pedal
> > > > mechanism, but mine lines up with a skinny
> part
> > of
> > > the
> > > > pedal.  Perhaps that's correct?  The
> bracket
> > the
> > > switch is
> > > > attached to is slightly loose, so the
> switch
> > doesn't
> > > seem to
> > > > stay in the exact proper location and the
> brake
> > lights
> > > now
> > > > stay on unless I pull up on the pedal.  I
> tried
> > to
> > > get to
> > > > the bolt that tightens the bracket up, but
> what
> > a
> > > bugger
> > > > that is to reach and get a wrench on.  My
> > daughter
> > > has some
> > > > success getting in there with the
> instrument
> > panel
> > > removed.
> > > >  But she had to go to work before I got
> things
> > > finished up.
> > > >  We'll try it again when we have time.
>  I'm
> > thinking
> > > a new
> > > > switch would be a good idea anyway, but
> looking
> > for
> > > any tips
> > > > you guys may have on the position of the
> switch
> > and
> > > getting
> > > > to that mounting bolt above the steering
> column.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > >
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > '64 Belvedere
> > > > >
> > > > > --- On Wed, 6/8/11, 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > From: 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical question
> > > > > > To: "The 1962 to 1965 Mopar Mail
> List
> > > Clubhouse"
> > > > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > Date: Wednesday, June 8, 2011,
> 7:15 AM
> > > > > > My brake lights now work. I
> cleaned
> > > > > > off the terminals and shot some
> > > > > > electrical contact spray on them
> and in
> > the
> > > > plunger area on
> > > > > > the switch
> > > > > > and it works great but will
> probably 
> > buy
> > > a
> > > > switch and
> > > > > > replace it
> > > > > > anyway, they are reasonably
> priced.
> > > > >
> > > > > > i did pull the grounding strap on
> the
> > fuel
> > > tank
> > > > and sanded
> > > > > > the gas
> > > > > > lines. With my handy dremel tool
> > cleaned out
> > > the
> > > > contact
> > > > > > surfaces on
> > > > > > the strap, still nothing. So I
> will do
> > some
> > > > testing on the
> > > > > > sending
> > > > > > unit and clean some other
> connections
> > to
> > > make
> > > > sure I have a
> > > > > > good
> > > > > > ground. So will see what happens.
> Could
> > be
> > > the
> > > > voltage
> > > > > > limiter in the
> > > > > > cluster too.
> > > > > > On Jun 5, 8:36 am, "Ollie" <satellite1...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > I suspect that the brake
> light
> > problem
> > > is in
> > > > the turn
> > > > > > signal switch. I have
> > > > > > > had 2, 65 Plys and both have
> >  the
> > > same
> > > > problem.
> > > > > > Wiggle the turn signal lever
> > > > > > > and the brake lights will go
> on
> > and
> > > off.
> > > > Always the
> > > > > > right side on both mine.
> > > > > > > Ollie
> > > > >
> > > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > > From: Dave64
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 05, 2011
> 8:07
> > AM
> > > > > > > To: 1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical
> question
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Another possibilty on your
> brake
> > > lights
> > > > could be the
> > > > > > turn signal switch.  I
> > > > > > > think mine is bad -
> > intermittently
> > > > works/doesn't work.
> > > > > >  I have a new Daniel
> > > > > > > Stern switch on the bench -
> just
> > need
> > > to get
> > > > around to
> > > > > > installing it.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > Dave
> > > > >
> > > > > > > --- On Thu, 6/2/11,
> 64-polara
> > <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: 64-polara <wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Electrical
> > question
> > > > > > > > To: "The 1962 to 1965
> Mopar
> > Mail
> > > List
> > > > Clubhouse"
> > > > > > > > <1962to1965mopars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > > > > Date: Thursday, June 2,
> > 2011,
> > > 10:04 AM
> > > > > > > > Yup
> > > > > > > > all of the other lights
> were
> > > working. I
> > > > will
> > > > > > check the
> > > > > > > > ground strap
> > > > > > > > and I had thought about
> the
> > switch
> > > and
> > > > doing what
> > > > > > you said.
> > > > > > > > Will check
> > > > > > > > it out tonight.
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > On Jun 2, 7:37 am, Dodger7...@xxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Fuel gauge,,,,,,,
> did
> > the
> > > rest of
> > > > your
> > > > > > gauges work
> > > > > > > > properly? if so it is
> > > > > > > > > more than likely
> the
> > ground
> > > strap
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Brake lights,,,,,
> did
> > your
> > > > interior lights,
> > > > > > and dash
> > > > > > > > lights work ? if not
> > > > > > > > > check fuses, if
> they
> > did
> > > work,
> > > > jumper the
> > > > > > wires at the
> > > > > > > > brake light switch,
> > > > > > > > > if  they work
> then, it
> > is
> > > the
> > > > switch,,,, if
> > > > > > they
> > > > > > > > still do not work, I
> would
> > > > > > > > > find the  rear
> chassis
> > > harness
> > > > plug
> > > > > > connection, and
> > > > > > > > check for corrusion,
> both
> > > > > > > > > your  taillights
> and
> > fuel
> > > gauge
> > > > probably go
> > > > > > through
> > > > > > > > that same plug,,,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > In a message dated
> > 6/2/2011
> > > > 6:47:42 A.M.
> > > > > > Central
> > > > > > > > Daylight Time,
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > wchus...@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > > > > > > writes:
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Well the  Polara
> rolled
> > out
> > > of
> > > > the garage
> > > > > > under its
> > > > > > > > own power yesterday
> > > > > > > > > afternoon.  What
> a
> > great
> > > feeling
> > > > after its
> > > > > > innards
> > > > > > > > and outards
> > > > > > > > > cluttering up my
> garage
> >  for
> > > the
> > > > last
> > > > > > year.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I replaced the
> fuel
> > sending
> > > unit
> > > > about 4
> > > > > > years ago.
> > > > > > > >  While the car had
> > > > > > > > > been in my garage
> > waiting to
> > > go
> > > > back
> > > > > > together the gas
> > > > > > > >  guage had been
> > > > > > > > > working fine.
> Yesterday
> > > started it
> > > > up drove
> > > > > > it a few
> > > > > > > > miles  and it was
> > > > > > > > > ok just low on
> gas.
> > About an
> > > hour
> > > > later
> > > > > > after putting
> > > > > > > > the wheel  covers
> > > > > > > > > back on I start it
> up
> > and
> > > the
> > > > guage is
> > > > > > bottomed out
> > > > > > > > below the  E
> > > > > > > > > mark.So I shut it
> off,
> > start
> > > it up
> > > > again
> > > > > > same thing.
> > > > > > > > Get some gas  in
> > > > > > > > > it, still the same
> > thing.
> > > Later
> > > > took my wife
> > > > > > out to DQ
> > > > > > > > as a  little
> > > > > > > > > celebration and
> cruise
> > so
> > > while
> > > > waiting in
> > > > > > line the
> > > > > > > > guage starts  to
> > > > > > > > > move in the full
> > direction
> > > then
> > > > stopped and
> > > > > > went to
> > > > > > > > empty again.
> > > > > > > > > I  will check out
> the
> > fuel
> > > > sending unit
> > > > > > wires and
> > > > > > > > ground strap
> > > > > > > > > tonight.Anybody
>  have
> > any
> > > > thoughts on
> > > > > > that?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Next issue. Brake
> > lights
> > > were
> > > > working fine
> > > > > >  before
> > > > > > > > yesterday. Now they
> > > > > > > > > are not. Noticed
> that
> > at
> > > Dairy
> > > > Queen  also
> > > > > > > > > when i didnt see
> my
> > brake
> > > light
> > > > reflection
> > > > > > in the big
> > > > > > > > aXX  Navigator
> > > > > > > > > behind me. Maybe
> the
> > switch
> > > for
> > > > the brake
> > > > > > light at the
> > > > > > > > pedal? if  so
> > > > > > > > > what would be a
> good
> > source
> > > to get
> > > > it from?
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Other than that it
>  was
> > a
> > > great
> > > > feeling to
> > > > > > be back in
> > > > > > > > the bucket seats
> > > > > > > > > again all 4
> windows
> >  down.
> > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Will post some
> pics
> > soon.
> > > > >
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