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Re: dyno results and car update



Seems to me, that the best use of a dyno is for tuning.  The hp, tq numbers are fairly arbitrary  to me.  Gives you a good ball park number though.  I've done a fair amount of testing with the Harley, mostly for tuning purposes.  I've got a big inch engine, big cams, ect, and thats a great way to tune, as you can make changes in the same basic atmospheric conditions.  I wish it was as easy to put the '63 on a wheel dyno and get that thing tuned to it's best.  Ofcourse, the Harley is tuned with my laptop,,, as opposed to a screw driver and wrench for the Plymouth.  Sadly, I'm better with the laptop. 

Doug,
'63 Sport Fury 'vert

On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Gary Pavlovich <glpavlovich@xxxxxxx> wrote:
277 rear wheel torque
268 rear wheel HP
 
Corrected numbers for pre-coffee brain fog...see, what I mean about distortion?
Gary Pavlovich :0I
 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: dyno results and car update
 
I do not know the % of loss but bottom line is not to get disappointed if the number is not as high as the next guy as there is no possible standard of measurement between dynos/atmospheric temps/engine performance on a given day etc...the real question is does the on street or on track performance satisfy you?  At the track, if you win your race(s) the “dyno numbers” are pretty much irrelevant.
Many "numbers” are erroneous, misleading, and at best are a guideline – key word is guideline; another tool in your war chest of Mopar knowledge and experience.  Rear end ratios and high stall convertors will also skew the numbers and prevent accurate readings or comparisons.
 
For example, my rear wheel dyno numbers on my 67 Dart w/mild transplanted 340 build (284 Cam, LD340 intake, 850cfm Thermoquad, stock pistons & valves, 1 5/8” Headers, 2.5” exh. pipe, head work...)
277 rear wheel HP
268   “       “       “
from all the “other guy’s” numbers I should be ashamed to drive down the street, much less hit the track.  However, I turned 12.8 @106mph in the quarter mile (even let off the throttle prematurely on that run) and beat every car I raced that night (obviously all the paired cars were under 12.8...)
 
Gary Pavlovich
 
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 6:32 AM
Subject: Re: dyno results and car update
 
Once apon a time I was told that the biggest loss was the rear differential, and that the 90 degree turn of the power was the culprit more so than the transmission
 
In a message dated 10/4/2012 12:21:35 A.M. Central Daylight Time, micher@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx writes:
WoW! that nuch parasitic loss??  I wonder if some kind of friction
reduceing  manual tranny (4 speed)  lube and rear end lube would make
a noticable difference? .........................MO

On Oct 3, 10:50 pm, Richard Kinsley <leroar.kinsley...@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
> As an example of dyno numbers, back in '63 I had my '59 Ply Sport Fury 318
> power pack dyno tuned in Garden Grove, CA.  The horsepower was about 112hp
> at 60mph in high gear with 2:94 rear and 14" tires.  They didn't run it up
> like they do now and find the max.  There is a percentage of power loss but
> it varies with the application. Some drive lines are more efficient than
> others. I think a 15% loss is fairly good.
>
> Rich Kinsley '64 Dodge Polara LeRoar 4dr 324 poly w/goodies
>
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> On Wed, Oct 3, 2012 at 12:25 AM, MO <mic...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >  I like your Plymy and what you are doing with it.
>
> > I am afraid to admit how old school I am, but how does dyno at the
> > rear wheels translate into numbers on an engine dtno?  I know the rear
> > wheel dyno reads less but I am not familiar with  the numbers you give
> > to know just what kind of power your engine has. ..................MO
>
> > On Oct 2, 2:26 pm, SL <slid...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > I've finally had some time to work on the car in the last few weeks and
> > > drive it a bit before the snow falls here.  Installing an MSD fixed the
> > > starting issues...bad coil or orange box was the culprit everything else
> > > checked out.  The 440 six pack got some tuning on the dyno and she's
> > > running really good now.  355hp and 383tq with 38 degress of timing.
> > >  Elevation here is ~3500'
>
> > > In addition to the planned alterktion install I'm starting to put
> > together
> > > my plans for the Megasquirt EFI.  I may keep it a six pack by going with
> > > the following intake from F&B Throttle Bodies.
> >http://www.fbthrottlebodies.com/images/photos/440%206bblsys.gif
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> > > Cheers,
> > > Stacy
>
> > >  IMG_20120924_112031 (Large).jpg
> > > 103KViewDownload
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> > >  IMG_20120921_090422 (Large).jpg
> > > 141KViewDownload
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