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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-01 3:57 AM (#586873)
Subject: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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I am looking for a 1938-1948 International Harvester panel truck. My grandfather had a 1940 model that he sold his produce and flowers out of, and I am thinking that I would like to eventually make a recreation of it. The body line is a little different on the 1940-up and the front end changed in 1941 so it is somewhat of a one year only package. But I wouldn't mind using a newer body with an older front end to make it the same as the '40 model. Any leads would be appreciated as these aren't real easy to find. Fortunately they aren't very expensive, but I'm sure it's going to take some time to find one. I would be willing to make a trade if the owner would prefer that.



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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-01 11:05 AM (#586884 - in reply to #586873)
Subject: RE: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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They're out there (more pickups than panels). 37 looks much like 40?

http://topclassiccarsforsale.com/international-harvester/117241-194...











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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-19 12:54 PM (#587740 - in reply to #586873)
Subject: RE: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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I talked to my father and found out that my grandfather's was actually a '39. The body change happened in late '39 so it could have been either year. The gray one you show above is a no-go for me because it has had too much of it swapped out for newer stuff, including the frame. I want it to be more original than that, although I am thinking about swapping the motor & trans because spending gobs of money to get 75hp doesn't thrill me. Also, that gray was was sold long ago. That website lists old ads for some reason.

This week, this one popped up on Ebay. I didn't expect to find one that quickly. It's a late '39 just like my grandfather's. I was thinking of waiting to get something in better shape than this, but then I realized that most of the good ones have already had their parts swapped out for other stuff like the gray one did. Also, even if the paint is in perfect condition, I have to repaint it to match my grandfather's so it makes no sense to pay for good paint. So a cheap, original, untouched version didn't sound too bad. I am currently paying him to put new tires on it so it can be transported easier. Better to buy them now than later. I intend to fix the fender rip, replace the windows & straighten the grille on it right away to make it look better, and then just use it for storage for a while until I get time to build it. That'll give me time to figure out how I want to do the drivetrain. If I replace the motor, I am thinking that a 354 industrial hemi might be a good choice, but I may keep the original if I can get the parts and can figure out how to make it run better than when it was new. Another option would be a diesel motor if I can find one that would fit well.



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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-09-20 6:59 PM (#587788 - in reply to #587740)
Subject: RE: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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Powerflite - 2019-09-19 10:54 AM

Another option would be a diesel motor if I can find one that would fit well.


I'm thinking......... 12 valve Cummins 46RH trans. Find a wrecked 2WD Dodge pickup. Maybe even use the rear diff....



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-20 7:12 PM (#587789 - in reply to #586873)
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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I'm thinking the same thing '94-'98 variety; except, I want to keep it with manual trans. An NV4500 5 speed would be great. I started looking around at those older diesel trucks, and they are still stinkin expensive. It seems people really like them. I assume you need a computer to run these from the late '90's, is that correct? Another question about these, though is how heavy are they? Looks like 1100 lbs. That's probably almost double what the original motor weighs. I'm not sure the old truck could handle a lot of weight up front. Even with new HD springs, I'm not sure what that would do to the handling. Maybe a Duramax instead?

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56D500boy
Posted 2019-09-24 10:43 AM (#587899 - in reply to #587789)
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I'll just drop this here and run away:



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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-24 11:06 AM (#587900 - in reply to #586873)
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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Neat ad. That looks like a 3/4 ton because it's using the heavy duty wheels. Interestingly, it is also missing the front turn signal pods just like the rusty one you posted before. They probably thought it looked better without them.
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normsclassicradio
Posted 2019-09-24 11:10 AM (#587901 - in reply to #587789)
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Powerflite - 2019-09-20 5:12 PM

I'm thinking the same thing '94-'98 variety; except, I want to keep it with manual trans. An NV4500 5 speed would be great. I started looking around at those older diesel trucks, and they are still stinkin expensive. It seems people really like them. I assume you need a computer to run these from the late '90's, is that correct? Another question about these, though is how heavy are they? Looks like 1100 lbs. That's probably almost double what the original motor weighs. I'm not sure the old truck could handle a lot of weight up front. Even with new HD springs, I'm not sure what that would do to the handling. Maybe a Duramax instead? :laugh:


12 Valve diesel engines have no computer control, only the fuel shut off solenoid. The PCM for these trucks only runs the transmission if it's an automatic, and the alternator.
Correct about the weight. Maybe use the 4BT 4 cylinder. Have seen these transplanted into 1/2 tons and even a Dakota. They have the same bolt pattern at the 6 cyl, so the adapter housing will interchange. Use a turbo and intercooler. I bet it makes more power than the original 6 cyl gasser.
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Powerflite
Posted 2019-09-24 9:38 PM (#587919 - in reply to #586873)
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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More power yes, but the bar is set pretty low at 75hp. I don't have any experience with diesel motors. The 4BT without intercooler is only 105 hp and 265 ft-lbs. I am wondering what that feels like in real world use. I guess the real benefit of using one is in fuel economy, but I don't want a dog either. The intercooler adds quite a bit of power, but also more trouble and less economy. And the descriptions of the 4BT not being well balanced for the torque it puts out doesn't sound great either. Now I am kinda souring on the idea.
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Apollo 61
Posted 2019-09-27 11:58 PM (#588071 - in reply to #587919)
Subject: Re: Wanted: 1940 International Panel Truck



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Here is the panel I was telling you about. I don't think it's what your looking for ? Looks like the Hemmings motor news truck to me.



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