Re: IML: IML DIGEST

[Norm Johnson <norm_5000@xxxxxxxxx>]

I am tootally dumb about doing this  Norm 1-19-05
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> From: "jsadowski" <jsadowski@xxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: IML: Please help me start my 440!
> Date: Tue, 18 Jan 2005 23:26:08 -0700
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> The plug gap is the same .035 on all from around 59
> through at least the 
> late 70's. They all use Autolite #85 plugs.
> John
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> From: "David Whitney" <david.whitney@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <mailing-list@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2005 10:21 PM
> Subject: RE: IML: Please help me start my 440!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> I concur with previous posters that getting the
> distributor 180 degrees out
> of phase is not hard to do.
> 
> BUT if you were achieving combustion, I would think
> you would experience
> backfire through the carburetor if that were the
> case because the cylinders
> would neither be firing in the proper sequence nor
> have the proper
> combination of open and closed valves.  It does not
> sound to me like
> combustion is happening.  Is manifold vacuum
> sufficient to pull atomized
> air/fuel through the throttle plates?  What comes
> out of the tailpipe when
> you crank it over?  If there's no soot in the
> exhaust, nothing is burning.
> 
> 413s are not that different than 440s.  Improper
> spark plugs may affect
> performance, and I think the gap is different from
> '65 to '72, but should
> not result in no start.  To be sure, I'd spend a few
> bucks for the
> specified plugs and set the gap to spec.  You say
> spark plugs are firing --
> did you observe spark at the electrode or from the
> wire to the plug with
> the plug installed?
> 
> I recommend hand cranking per Robin's suggestion to
> get oil pressure up
> before trying to turn the engine over with the key. 
> Lubrication of
> cylinder walls is a good idea to prevent premature
> wear on first startup,
> plus it helps give the proper seal to achieve
> compression.
> 
> There are a few other things in the Mopar books
> about first starting up,
> but I don't have them with me right now.
> 
> Persevere,
> 
> David
> 
> 
> 
>                       "Dick Benjamin"
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> 1.  Remove #1 spark plug, and install a compression
> test gauge.
> 2.  Crank the engine until you just begin to see
> pressure building up.
> 3.  Remove the distributor cap and see what plug
> wire the rotor is pointed
> at.  If it is pointed at #1, your distributor is in
> correctly.  If it is
> pointed at #6, your distributor is 180 degrees out
> of time.
> 
> These are 4 stroke engines.  This means the crank
> goes around twice for
> each
> time the cam rotates - thus you have a 50/50 chance
> of getting the
> distributor in backwards, unless you checked for
> this when assembling the
> engine.
> 
> Dick Benjamin
> 
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> Subject: IML: Please help me start my 440!
> 
> I just dropped a freshly rebuilt 440 and trans, as
> well as a newly rebuilt
> gear box, et al, in my 1965 Imperial Le Baron. (I
> know 413 is proper, but
> I
> wanted a little more, so please no comments on my
> choice of engine.)
> 
> On Saturday, we buttoned everything up and tried
> sparking her
> up. Nothing. The engine cranks, rather slowly, but
> never starts. Went out
> and got a new
> battery, engine cranked a little faster, but still
> no start. Timing is
> spot
> on. No. 1 has compression when it's supposed to,
> sparkplugs are firing,
> fuel pump is giving us gas.
> 
> What's going on?
> 
> A few things concern me: first, the engine seems to
> crank slower than I
> remember, and second it feels as if the timing is
> off or the plugs aren't
> getting power, or if they are, it seems the spark is
> a little weak. I
> bought a new battery and starter, but as yet have
> not installed the new
> starter. The timing has been checked more times than
> I can remember! It
> is
> right, I'm sure of it!  Is it possible that the
> spark is too weak?  How can
> that be rectified?
> 
> The battery cables seemed a bit thin, about 6 or 8
> gauge.  I will be buying
> some fat cables this week and trying that on
> Saturday.  What about ground
> strapping the block?  Anyone try that?  Does it make
> a difference?
> 
> My new engine was made in '72. I believe the heads
> the heads are from mid
> seventies. However, the plugs are the same type I
> was using on my '65
> 413. Is it possible that these plugs are too
> shallow, not getting close
> enough
> to the air/fuel mixture? Does that make any sense?
> Does 
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